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Is Alfonso Guerra a facha? The question is not mine but Pablo Motos's. He asked it last night almost at the end of the interview with the former vice-president of the Government in El Hormiguero. It was done with all the intention, with knowledge of the facts, with treachery. Alfonso Guerra dealt last night left and right. On one side, on the other, but above all to his own or to those who should be: Pedro Sánchez, the PSOE, the new government, the ministers... He does not agree with anything that has happened in recent weeks. Is it a facha? "There is a sector of the left that thinks that the more left-wing you are, you are a facha. That came from those young people who thought they were going to take the world by storm." No mercy, no censorship, no half-measures.

Pablo Motos told him that when Felipe González was president of the government and he was his vice-president, the former was the good cop and the latter "the bad cop". Alfonso Guerra acknowledged that yes, it could be, but that it was not something sought, "it was an invention of journalists that worked very well." He then said that Adolfo Suárez, at that time, told him that when he tied his hair "everyone got nervous" and that if he took off his glasses it meant that the interview was over, that they were a little afraid of him. Last night, Alfonso Guerra didn't tie up his hair – he doesn't have the hair of yesteryear – nor did he take off his glasses, but he was a bit like that bad cop. Because now, those they call "dinosaurs" – Felipe Gonzalez, Guerra himself – have opened their own dialectical and principled war against what Guerra considers "a science fiction movie."

The former Vice-President of the Government went to El Hormiguero with the excuse of promoting his new book, The Rose and the Thorns: The Man Behind the Politician (Ed. The Sphere of Books). It was just an excuse. When Pablo Motos announced last week the visit to Alfonso Guerra's program, we all knew what was going to happen because last night was not the first time it happened and it will not be the last. Alfonso Guerra, like other historical socialists, is worried, surprised and worried. They are concerned about the decisions that Sanchez is making, the agreements, the amnesty, the negotiations with "fugitives" and with "enemies". Surely, within the party, the "dinosaurs" will not be the only ones worried, but they are the only ones who do not want more censorship. They have already lived it and no one is going to silence them. "Political correctness is undemocratic." He could have said it louder, but not clearer.

"I can express myself however I want without insulting anyone," the former vice president continued. "I feel very sorry for comedians right now, they can't talk about anything anymore. Before, there were jokes about homosexuals, about dwarfs, but not now." And that's where he left it. Nostalgia and melancholy. Was any past tense better? For Alfonso Guerra, it seems so. And not just because of the jokes or the humor, but because of everything.

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Do those who staged a coup deserve amnesty? Absolutely not. Before thinking about whether the wording of this law – the amnesty law – is appropriate, we have to think that it is a bit strange, because where have we seen that the beneficiaries of the law themselves write it? That already disables her. Finally, does it fit or does it not fit in the Constitution? When I say that it is not appropriate, I repeat the words of what the President of the Government said." But for everything.

Politicians like Alfonso Guerra are few and far between. Like that batch, none have come out. Politicians who stood in front of the rostrum and for whom lying "was a crime". "Now it's changing your mind," Guerra said with a laugh. Guerra had a tactic: they always began their speeches with humor because "when people were relaxed, the ideological dose was better." Guerra continues to use that tactic. In fact, last night he used humor many times to get a whip. A whip that was clearly directed against Pedro Sánchez, whom he did not name once in the entire interview. Who could do? Few.

Alfonso Guerra left nothing and no one in the inkwell. He charged at everything, he bit at the jugular of many and not once did he say the name of Pedro Sánchez. He said that he had not been very attentive to the formation of the new government, but that there were things, such as Bolaños being minister of the Presidency and Justice that did not suit him: "The problem is not power, the problem is whether Justice and the Presidency fit well. The Presidency is the apparatus of the Government and Justice should be the Ministry furthest from the apparatus."

Guerra didn't say anything that hasn't been heard before, but it's not the same to say it in one place than in another. If you say it in El Hormiguero, millions of people are watching you and he knows it. If you say in El Hormiguero "you have to be sensible", that it is not sensible "to agree and negotiate with a man who is wanted by Justice, who is a fugitive, it means that there has been a miscalculation". For the former socialist vice-president, the mistake is none other than that the PP and the PSOE have not spoken and that Pedro Sánchez has hidden his intentions: "If the president of the Government had told the PP if you don't vote for me, you know what's coming, the opposition would have supported him without anything in return (...) Podemos has leaked the idea to the PSOE that society must be divided in two: some of us are friends and the others are enemies. And that's not how society works. Now they're saying, 'Let's build a wall.' No, man, no, let's build 20 bridges." Guerra didn't miss a single one.

Pablo Motos showed again the video that was prepared a week ago in the news of Vicente Vallés in which members of the Government are seen reneging on the amnesty, promising that it was never going to happen. "Science fiction," they said. And he asked him: "How has this miracle been worked in the socialist ranks?" Guerra's answer could have been louder, but not clearer: "Well, because there were seven votes missing and they have been bought. And they have also been bought with 14,000 million." And the blows keep falling...

During the interview, Pablo Motos revealed that Alfonso Guerra came to politics by chance. He wanted to dedicate himself to something related to the performing arts, to poetry... But he ended up being vice-president of the first socialist government of democracy. Today, he acknowledged, if he had been sitting in Congress, in the socialist ranks and it had been his turn to vote for Sánchez's investiture, "I would have gone home." "Spanish society will one day wake up and say how we were able to leave Spanish democracy defenseless," he concluded.

And after all this, with Pablo Motos confessing that he is "a little afraid" of what may come, Alfonso Guerra tried to calm down. Difficult. He didn't use the now hackneyed phrase "Spain breaks up", but almost. Fear? For Guerra, there shouldn't be because "we shouldn't exaggerate things either – at a good time, some would say," because "I have faith in our country, which is a strong country, a country with a lot of mental resources." "It will come through."

Of course, when Pablo Matos asked him if the government can call a referendum and what could happen next, the fear returned: "If we do not abide by the letters, there is a consultative referendum that can be called but for the whole of Spain. And there would be surprises (...) Then the Basques would come and then others, and others, and others, but that's not going to happen. The Catalan nationalists are so ridiculous that when the Head of State goes they won't shake his hand, but at dinner they want his chair because they do want to eat." You don't even need to read between the lines. No, Alfonso Guerra does not believe that Spain will break up, but he made it very clear that the Constitution should state that "it cannot be fragmented".

"I'm on the left, but anyone who wants to be from the PP has to be respected. There may be fachas, but not every conservative is facha. With that criterion, there will never be peace in Spain," the former vice president continued. But it wasn't to be the end. Alfonso Guerra saved one last bullet, a bullet against "the reactionary left", the left that has become "puritanical", the left that has become vigilant of customs as in Iran." He didn't name them either, nor did he need to.

Puigdemont, the "fugitive"; Podemos, "the watchman of customs"; And Bildu? He didn't name Bildu either, but he also said everything: "These gentlemen, I don't know if they or their litter, killed people, friends, people from the party. Are those my partners? No, those are my enemies. In politics, I don't like to talk about enemies but adversaries, but when it's terrorism and violence, they're enemies." War...

. .. And love. It sounds impossible, unbelievable, strange, crazy, that an interview where the blows were one after the other could end up talking about love. His love for his party, from which he does not believe that he will be expelled, although he knows that "the primary process screwed him up", he warned a long time ago, no one listened to him, "wafers fell on him from all sides" and now those who gave them to him "recognize that I was right". And of love, love for her granddaughter: "The granddaughter softens your heart and leaves you useless."

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