Two hours with Nacho Vidal and Martiño Rivas: "The porn of today does not represent me, they do not even kiss the girl"

In the two hours that this meeting with

and

lasts , everything happens: it's sunny, it gets cloudy, it snows and the sun comes out again.

The weather picks up at a frantic pace, heralding the coming hurricane.

Even Martiño, naturally calmer, jumps on Nacho's roller coaster as soon as he shows up at the door.

They hug, joke, show each other photos of their daughters, laugh out loud, share Mexican recipes: "What did that carajillo have that they did there?"

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And finally, they sit down.

Nacho Vidal and Martiño Rivas have been the same person lately.

The former has revived that first five years of his twenties when it all began.

The second has embodied that mirror in which he has hardly been able to look at himself.

," confesses the porn star, now retired from filming but never too far from the sex industry.

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series

, produced by

and which

premieres today , reaches its protagonist's 27th birthday, in the year 2000. Following in the wake of those early memoirs signed by

in 2004,

, narrates a journey from his childhood in Enguera, a Valencian town of barely 5,000 inhabitants to which he has returned with 50 on the horizon, to his consecration as a world star of adult cinema in the United States, going through an intensive makinero of his

in the

and for that

by his mother in the

while having live sex in front of 400 spectators.

It was difficult to find an actor who had "the balls"

to embody a controversial figure, due to his profession and his way of life, and it was Nacho Vidal himself who found Martiño: "I saw an interview on a red carpet and I It was very cool, it is very authentic.

When I met him I thought: 'God, there are still people like that, all is not lost' ».

From there, to a timid call from his agent, and Martiño said yes: «

.

I couldn't miss this role."

To reach the climax, women do not use just any wimp.

And in porn there are a lot of wimps

Nacho Vidal

«Beyond the nudity or the sex scenes, the biggest challenge in this story is that Nacho's voice has a lot of weight and a lot of density.

, how the hell could I get that experience out of me?", confesses the Galician actor, who physically underwent a diet "of coffee and cigarettes", and mentally to a change radical of record barely covered by a genital sock and ruled by strict sexual choreographies that he studied at night.

There was never any choreography in the thousands of Nacho Vidal's powders before the camera:

And the revelation arrives: one of the biggest stars of adult cinema, that precious "sacred cow" who conquered the camera and never lost an erection, forged in the "university" of live sex, Nacho Vidal does not consume

.

I don't watch pornography, I don't compete.

When you see a guy make love to a girl, not fuck, you know it.

Nacho Vidal

«There is no benchmark, a world number one for acting in conventional cinema;

in porn, yes, and we don't fight against it.

I don't compete with anyone, "says who was a pupil of the historic

, who saw him on stage in the Barcelona room and asked him what the hell he was doing there.

«What he wanted was to stop working, and I have understood it when I started directing.

I had to work on my films, I couldn't stand how others did it, but Rocco saw in me what he did", he recalls, "we

.

You watch an actor make love to a woman.

I'm talking about making love, not fucking: making love to a woman is all you do before and after penetrating her.

Penetrate, dogs, horses, anyone penetrate.

But how do you treat the girl when you arrive on the set, how do you talk to her when you leave?

How do you touch her, how does she look at you? ».

Indeed, Nacho Vidal has a romantic vision of pornography, not out of sentimentality but almost out of pragmatism, as a measure of the quality of the result.

For him, it is a matter of principle based on the relationship of power that is established in a sexual encounter: she leaves with the upper hand and he has to curry favor with her, he has to make her want to be dominated.

"To reach that climax, a woman cannot use just any wimp, and

," he assures.

Nacho goes in a certain way to dismantle the prejudices of adult cinema.

"It is important that debate be generated, that a conversation be opened with a certain naturalness," says Martiño Rivas.

We continue to look with disdain at people who work in an industry whose consumption is totally normalized

Martino Rivas

The filming of the series has not been a bed of roses.

It was almost impossible to get a child actor to play the boy Nacho, despite the innocuousness of the sequences;

dozens of locations refused to be related to fiction.

The same enclave of this interview allowed the photo session as long as the building was not recognized.

"There is our double standard: we continue to look with disdain at people who are dedicated to an industry whose consumption is completely normalized," laments Martiño.

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Finding the answer to this question was his definitive incentive to embody the protagonist, and he dares not predict what the public's reaction will be.

The global resurgence of the feminist movement in recent years has put the spotlight on the role of women in an industry historically directed at men.

«When people see my films and assume that I am an aggressive guy, they do not wonder if it is not rather that I am a good actor.

», alleges Nacho Vidal, «this is still cinema, it is a fantasy.

The moment a woman says no to something, or if she hurts her and you continue, you are entering into a violation, it is something else.

No one is raped here.

They choose who they work with and how far they want to go.

And everyone has a price.

He is not convinced by the rise of the so-called "porn for women": "I don't believe in that.

There is a wide range of fetishes that are just that, fetishes, and everyone has them.

I don't do porn for men or women, I do porn for people».

Porn is not sex, it is a fantasy.

And a fantasy taken to the screen can be dangerous

Nacho Vidal

However, there was a time when those fetishes worried the big star.

He began to be aware of his influence when he discovered that very young boys tried to carry out what he did on screen.

"One moment, kid, slow down.

Sun.

Sex is something very different », he lectured them.

And he began to reject projects, he stopped pulling his companions' hair, holding them by the neck, he used condoms in some scenes.

«He was trying to convey another type of treatment because he felt a great responsibility.

I stopped selling like before, but I didn't care, "he says.

He ended up retiring when the Internet was flooded with videos of fathers with girls, stepmothers with young boys, even grandmothers.

«Human beings have fantasies that, taken to the screen, can be dangerous.

You can be getting into very young heads that this is sexuality," he says, "

, nobody looks into each other's eyes, we all go with our mobile phones .

So I don't want to know anything about current porn, it doesn't represent me.

.

They don't even kiss the girl."

The sun rises in the center of Madrid and the two faces of Nacho go out to eat.

Vidal proposes a restaurant on Gran Vía. Specialized in meat, of course.

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