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Celebrity investor Frank Thelen brusquely rejected a € 100,000 bet on one of his start-ups.

He gets the “bear” of the week from Zschäpitz.

For this he celebrates the election manifesto of the FDP, which would relieve his family of 10,000 euros in taxation.

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“Bulle” Deffner presents the Amazon of Russia and awards the AfD's economic program the “bear” of the week.

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DEFFNER & ZSCHÄPITZ

are like real life.

Like optimist and pessimist.

In the weekly WELT podcast, journalists Dietmar Deffner and Holger Zschäpitz discuss and argue about the important economic issues of everyday life.

Further episodes of Deffner & Zschäpitz

Who says no one can listen anymore?

The two WELT journalists Dietmar Deffner and Holger Zschäpitz listen and argue every week as bull and bear about the truth in the economic podcast - and also bet on it.

And they found a lot of listeners - because it's always about how much the economy shapes our lives.

And how to get not only smarter but also richer.

The 150th episode of Deffner & Zschäpitz was published this week.

The podcast is available from Welt.de and everywhere you can find good podcasts.