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■ Broadcast: Kim Sung-joon's current affairs observatory (FM 103.5 MHz 14:20 ~ 16:00)
■ Progress: SBS Kim Sungjun anchor
■ The broadcast date and time: Tuesday, April 9, 2019
■ Dialogue: Director, Ahn Jin-geul

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- AFP Meeting Blue House answer requirements
- The Ministry of Forestry, Jinhwa Univ ... 100,000 won per day
- After the fire in Gangwon-do,
- Fires of forest fire often lack Gangwon-do, firefighters 40%
- Firefighters can not make a union or work council.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

It is time to talk on the side of ordinary people and listener and to talk on the corner of <Anjin Girls' broadcasting. Ahn Jin-geul is the director of the Institute for Public Sector Economics. Welcome to.

▶ Director:

Yes. Hello.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

In Gangwon-do, the damage to the forest fire is not so great, but it is still necessary to sweep the breasts. Some of the wealth that I have accumulated in my life, the various materials that I have accumulated in my life, the books that I have had for a lifetime, and the materials I have collected for writing books all at once. Right now, when I get the damage compensation, I get home, I live, I ride the company. This is the situation. I'm sorry. I can not blame this on anyone.

▶ Director:

I am sorry to say that I am glad in unhappiness. Anyway, I can not say that I am glad to be able to say this in terms of nearly 1,000 victims. Because it 's a huge flash. In fact, some families have felt the risk of life. The house just burned down. What if we were evacuated a little later? However, there are people who have volunteered and watched the process, and some have donated. For example, some people joined the petition to become a firefighter. However, the difference was that firefighters and fire trucks went nationwide and mobilized in the military and administrative systems, minimizing the damage. That is the important lesson of this forest fires.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

There are quite a few evaluations that the system works well.

▶ Director:

Systems and infrastructure. In 2017, President Moon Jae-in pledged to make the fire department independent, making it a municipal civil servant, but making a system capable of mobilizing it all together, and also a highway to Yangyang and various infrastructures. It's really fast, so that's the topic. On April 5th, April 6th, fire trucks go all night. It became a hot topic as it was live. This is the first time that our country is preventing disaster. Second, because we have been doing our best to minimize the damage of the disaster that has yet to fail. I think I left a good lesson in that point.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

At present, 3,251 firefighters and 872 fire trucks were put into the country and started to suppress.

▶ Director:

Yes. Going to be incredible. It's full of resting place. In the past, the Secretary of the Rangoon contacted each branch office and contacted there. So you judge. I think it's not his job, so I go late. This happened. By the way, since the chief of the fire department is independent, I ordered the mobilization at once. As soon as President Moon Jae-in meets at the meeting, mobilize. This is why the role of the control tower was greatly influential.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

But when I saw this case, I heard it. There is also the National Forest Service called the Evolutionary University. This evolution group also tried very hard to throw themselves in fire suppression. I knew that this evolutionary base was irregular.

▶ Director:

Yes. There are about 330 people, and I picked people from time to time. I know. But I only work for 10 months. Irregular workers, contract workers.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

What is 10 months contract? A year is a year.

▶ Director:

I mean. I work for 10 months except when the forest fire is almost gone, and I want 100,000 a month. I'm taking rain. It's a contractor. These people are like this. Fire helicopters are difficult to hit at night. There is a road that a fire truck can go and a road that can not go. The fire is out there, the fire is spreading. Then you have to go up with a fire hose. It goes up a few km.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

The mountain is hard to go up.

▶ Director:

Because there must be water. It 's a small fire so we can not step on our feet. So it is only one day per day, 100,000 won per day, but food, transportation and retirement allowances are not supported. You should choose regular workers and more people. Finally, I will also select a special force from Gangwon Province. Because Gangwon Province continues to fire wildfires now. Dry weather in coniferous trees, strong winds are said to burn because of the three requirements. Therefore, firefighters should be transferred to the national office, and at the same time, in a difficult environment in which special force groups and firefighters teachers are not able to enter, we should be able to swiftly discuss the matter of converting the person who is doing the work to full - time. Finally, the president, the prime minister, and the minister of affairs will all turn to permanent jobs. I talked about it in Gangwon-do so I could talk about it and pick people. As the number of jobs increases, there seems to be a positive effect of raising the safety of our people.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

They are a career that lives and works. Anyway, I think we should create an environment where we can work with pride or pride.

▶ Director:

Yes. The 330 minutes are scattered not only in Gangwon Province but also in the National Forest Service. But if there is a fire. When you mobilize at once, and there are more risks, such as benefits, who is looking at the profit. It's all we see in our people. Then it keeps telling me it takes several decades to grow a tree. How sad. 1.5 times as much as Yeouido. That's why I've met some of these people at the Forest Service's Urban Forest Center. The effect of forests is enormous.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

Absolutely. However, naturally, after experiencing this fire naturally, there must be a claim that the firefighter should be converted to a national position. Of course, the petition is now over 200,000. As you mentioned earlier, now you are a local civil servant, but the Fire Department is independent and centralized mobilization is possible. Do you change your working environment or treatment very much if you become a national civil servant?

▶ Director:

I am now in the Blue House National Petition, I have just come in and joined the petition. 225,892 people signed it. You have broken the Blue House answer requirement. Of course, even if there are not 200,000 people, I told you to answer an important issue. For example, if you are a national, you have the honor and pride of being a national. You allocate your budget in batches in your country. So it's easier to treat and improve. Depending on the local financial situation, local people also increase the number of people and decide on treatment. The equipment is different. There are different numbers of firefighters, treatment, equipment, and safety in each province. For example, in Seoul, 6% of firefighters are insufficient. Chungnam and Chungbuk are 50% short. But because the local finance is poor, it is not picked up. Once the firefighters got into the government, the number grew to about 50,000. But it turns out that 20,000 people are missing.

Now that's the issue. We need to fire about 20,000 firefighters. And the locality should be unified because it is treated or the safety equipment is jagged. And if it was independent of the fire department, it was not much more effective this time. If you switch to a national job, you can be better prepared for the disaster. The second issue is that we have to switch to a national position even in those areas. The third is that firefighters are not able to make unions as compared to other civil servants. If you can not make a union, you have to have a work council to get them to work anyway or to improve good policies. I can not even build a firefighter work council.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

Firefighters can not do that either?

▶ Director:

I've talked to the former delegate of the fire fighting power generation council. There are about 5,000 members. There are three things to talk about. The transition to a national position is essential, and the treatment will be improved, pride will increase, and safety equipment will be unified. After that, the number of people should increase by about 20,000. Then our jobs will increase and our people will be safer. Then make firefighter work council and collectively make good policy. Some opposition parties object to the point that I object.

▷ Kim Seong-joon / Host:

Yes. I will do it here. I was the director of the Institute for Public Sector Economics. Thank you.