Celia Villalobos: "I would not go to a board of directors of an electric company. Others would not care"

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The title of this section and the figure of

are almost a reiteration.

Because her political career has consisted of jumping from puddle to puddle stepping on all of them.

Party discipline?

others with it.

And, now, turned into a television talk show host, she hasn't changed either.

You have always liked being a politician that went against the current, right? I have always liked defending my principles against the current or in favor of the current, nothing else in my life has mattered to me. It will have taken me It has cost me many troubles and it still costs me.

There are things that some do not forgive me because they have never had the courage to say what they think, either because of discipline or because they really don't like how they think. Party discipline... What is that?

Did you ever follow her?

It exists, but for me there are things that will always be above my game.

For example, everything that implies personal morality. You, Teófila Martínez, Esperanza Aguirre, Luisa Fernanda Rudi, Isabel Tocino...

Were right-wing women more modern in the 90s? Political women of that generation from all parties were much more modern, progressive and courageous than those of today.

Now there is a lot of false feminism, as if we were victims and we had to be protected.

I don't like that feminism at all. Is Spain still not ready for a female president? Yes, because much more is required of us than of a man, they are forgiven everything.

When a man in public office does it wrong, it is only said that he has done it wrong.

If a woman does it, she's not good for the job.

Despite the minister, all you have to do is watch some television programs and some

I don't like that feminism at all. Is Spain still not ready for a female president? Yes, because much more is required of us than of a man, they are forgiven everything.

When a man in public office does it wrong, it is only said that he has done it wrong.

If a woman does it, she's not good for the job.

Despite the minister, all you have to do is watch some television programs and some

I don't like that feminism at all. Is Spain still not ready for a female president? Yes, because much more is required of us than of a man, they are forgiven everything.

When a man in public office does it wrong, it is only said that he has done it wrong.

If a woman does it, she's not good for the job.

Despite the minister, all you have to do is watch some television programs and some

to realize that it still exists. Has he paid for his verbal excesses in politics more than any man? And I continue to pay them.

There is more talk about little things than about what I have done in politics, which has been a lot as a deputy, mayor, minister... It gives the feeling that there is some thorn stuck in there. No, because I have never looked back or to kick run.

The things I have done are there, but it bothers me that there are four nonsense left and not the work of so many years. I am going to read you a statement of yours from 2011: «Citizens want normal people, not charismatic leaders whom they adore and put their name on t-shirts.

Has this country changed so much?

I don't like today's politics, but I have the feeling that people are recovering their common sense.

People are realizing that those who accused us of abusing the powers of the State, like Mrs. Montero, now travel to New York in Falcon. Is common sense bipartisanship? Yes, of course, I am convinced that we are going to return there .

It makes no sense that Mr. Sánchez governs with the heirs of ETA.

But, of course, the PSOE does not exist, now it is the party of

.

Although they will return because there are very good socialists in this country.

Life is going to take away from me, I will die with the boots of politics on

Be careful, Celia, they end up saying that it is on the left. A country wants to be governed in a democracy and with elections.

And governing means solving problems.

Whoever does not resolve them is not governing, he is occupying power. How does a former PCE militant like you deal with that derogatory use that is made of the term? But are there any communists now?

Neither Mrs. Montero nor Mr. Garzón are communists.

Those are the things of Vox that I do not share. Now that you have removed Garzón, you were a precursor in the problems with the winners for the meat with mad cows. Oh, I had problems with many people, but what you said was true.

You have to eat the meat that you have to eat, in Spain we have first class meat and people have to eat protein.

I still like it, and my grandmother used to say that when you're older you leave it behind. You, like Pedro Sánchez:

"Steak to the point, unbeatable" Yes, and the minister who says what he wants.

If he put sirloin at his wedding, he would have put

.Do you live more peacefully since you left politics?

I live more comfortably and calmly, I laugh a lot except when I go to some programs. And why do you keep going?

Because it's in my blood, she's in my condition.

I like politics, I consider it an effort by many people and that is why it bothers me when they brand a certain party as thieves in general. Recognize that Pablo Casado's departure from the PP gave him something of a taste.

I was happy because he was going to sink my party and I love my party very much after so many years.

I believe that we deserve a modern, reasonable, democratic and progressive center-right party.

And this man wasn't, it wasn't his time and his ambition got the best of him.

He needed to mature. Maybe now he can come back. I wouldn't say no, I wouldn't mind at all.

Feijóo is the return of my PP, that of common sense, tranquility, calm,

Seven years later we have had a State of the Nation Debate, do you remember the last one? I've been to many, why would I remember that one?

I'm not talking about this anymore.

We could talk about what I did as vice president of Congress for her workers. Or for the electric companies, who give her cramps.

Now there is the price of electricity more for a power surge.

There has only been one minister capable of confronting them, which was Álvaro Nadal, and he is in London because he has not been able to work in this country.

Let's see if these leftist gentlemen manage to control them. Shall we nationalize them?

No, you have to put them in their place, change the system, but there isn't what you have to have. I don't see a council from an electric company wanting to leave.

Of an electric, no,

but I wouldn't mind being in others. We've been discussing abortion for 10 years... There's no longer a debate about abortion here, there will be in the United States. of Vox want to have it, let them have it.

This is Spain and no one is going to annul the abortion law.

Did Aznar do it?

Did Rajoy do it?

Well, that's it. How much did you fight over this issue in your party? Everything I could, I made many enemies there, but I don't care. They gave you the Malaga Medal of Honor with the votes of the PP, PSOE and Podemos.

What a consensus.

And I thank you all in a bad year.

In politics you don't have to be so dogmatic, I like things about Podemos and the PSOE. About Podemos too?

Now I don't like it at all, but I liked it when they emerged as a new hope for the left.

Until they were consumed.

In the end he ends up saying that he is on the left, you'll see. Pablo Casado would say that, Feijóo is not like that, let's not be mistaken. Retirement is becoming more and more complicated.

Do you think about her?

Life will take away from me, I will die with the boots of politics on.

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