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Two men, the countryside, loneliness, a rabbit, two horses, dominoes and the ashes of Pau Riba. It could be a new version of
Brokeback Mountain
, starring this time by
Jordi Évole
and
Albert Pla
, but in reality it was the turning point of the season of
Lo de Évole
. A kind of Western-interview to which
Évole
was a little distressed. "
Albert Pla
is not the easiest guy to interview in the euro zone. He doesn't make it easy for the interviewer. He says unusual things in prime time. If you jump into the void with him, you know what you're risking,"
Évole
said in X hours before the last program of the season began. Did you jump into the void with him?
Albert Pla
is the most surreal and unpredictable figure on the contemporary Spanish art scene. He is one of the few characters who feels free to get involved in everything and express what he wants, always with disdain for power and authority. However, he does not raise his voice, he sings in a whisper, he does not ask for anything or lament. And despite the whisper
Albert Pla
never leaves anyone indifferent. His thing is to provoke. He is aware and it is what he does. He assumes it and recognizes it. "Am I a provocateur? Yes, like you.
If you go on stage you have to provoke something in whoever is watching you
." He does not lie.
On stage, in an interview, in a series, in a film,
Albert Pla
leaves no one indifferent. With
Jordi Évole
he was not going to be different. There will be those who applaud him, those who will love him, those who will be fascinated by him and there will be those who will let out a hundred outbursts for each of his words. That's what it means to be
Albert Pla
just as
Albert Pla
is . Because if the artist has always demonstrated something, it is that being censored or self-censoring does not suit him, no matter what happens and whoever falls.
Singer and actor, he has 12 albums on the market, but in the last decade he has been more likely to see him on the screen or in a theater than in a concert. In the last program of the season the singer-songwriter and
Jordi Évole
spent a week together in the mountains. Very
Brokeback Mountain
, very
Unforgiven
, very
Two Men and a Fate
. Who played Paul Newman and who played Robert Redford? None.
Shooting some cans, finding a rabbit, entering or leaving a tent, collecting firewood in the forest or sitting around a fire, both have reviewed the career of the unclassifiable artist and commented on his vision of the world around us. His vision is key, because
Albert Pla
's vision is indescribable. Is it real? Is it a role? Is it a provocation? I don't think even
Jordi Évole,
a week in the field with him, could answer these questions. So it was best to let yourself go. Without further ado.
"I really like to deceive journalists"
, quite a declaration of intentions in front of a journalist. "I remember that with the independence movement I made a bet with Ana Grau: that I would write an article critical of the independence movement and they would publish me in all the Spanish newspapers. I wrote an article full of nonsense and lies and they loved it. They published me in all the newspapers and I was on all the TVs." Let's see how a journalist confronts someone like
Albert Pla
? Getting into his game? Simply letting yourself go. He started the program with the two of them shooting at some cans: "Don't you have a brother to shoot?" "Don't go there, let's not start." Well, this had only just begun.
Albert Pla, the King and the authorities
When
Jordi Évole
told his father that he was going to interview
Albert Pla
, he told him a phrase that perfectly describes the image that many of us have of the artist: "He is a crazy man who is very sane.
He worships his character and knows very well what is done
." He didn't find the "crazy" thing very funny, but
Albert Pla
never gets angry and when he gets angry all he does is scratch his head and anyone who knows him knows that if he scratches his head it is better to run away from him. Last night he did not scratch it at any time, since
Évole
's job
has never been to put his guests between a rock and a hard place but rather to let them be the ones to place themselves wherever they want. Where do you think
Albert Pla
was going to be placed
? "My mother keeps asking me what I'm going to be when I grow up."
With someone like
Albert Pla
, who himself admits that he likes to deceive journalists, what can you believe and what can't. "During the pandemic I realized that I was poor and that if I stopped working for a year I would be left with nothing. I realized that I will always have to work," he confessed to his adventure companion. Facing a game of dominoes,
Jordi Évole
got to work. If you have
Albert Pla
in front of you, you can't help but ask him about his lyrics against authority wherever he comes from or about philosophical questions such as what winning means to him or what meaning
life and death have for someone like
Albert Pla
. "Death is more important than life. You can spend your whole life doing things and it depends on how you die..."
Albert Pla
then told
Évole
that he once saw a photo of a man who "died fucking a chicken because it fell on a stone." What would have happened if it happened to Pablo Picasso? He would be the guy who died fucking a chicken. Since I haven't done anything and I hope they don't photograph me too much... Better to burn everything."
"You are hard on authority,"
Jordi Évole
snapped . "I'm not tough on anyone (...) I like to mistreat the authorities.
It's okay to laugh at the King, laugh at the judges, laugh at the politicians
. I don't see the King's or the president's logic as logical. There shouldn't be a president. , there should be a gray official. To me, the fact that a leader has to convince someone with his charisma says very little about the voter and they are characters who take advantage of this. In what case, does anyone want to be a delegate? Well, immediately that That boy or girl is separated from the group, given therapy and cured. And if he or she has not done that therapy, it is more difficult because now the politician has to convince him or her. Well, he or she has recognized it, he or she is "I'm willing to do anything to be king, to be president. I'm a drug addict. I'll help you. But if they don't recognize it, they'll still be there and I don't know why people don't detect it." True or false?
Authority, especially politicians, have
Albert Pla
's target on their foreheads. He says that he is not an anti-system, that
he is an "anti of this system"
. And, perhaps, that is why - because with
Albert Pla
you never know - politicians from all sides receive hosts like bread from
Albert Pla
. Politicians probably don't care, but in their concerts those hosts are what
Albert Pla
calls "provoking something on stage." "Is there no politician you admire?" Évole asked him while they were grooming the horses. "For example Mandela?", to make it easier for you. "What I liked most about Nelson Mandela was seeing that the security system did not work. When they buried him with all the security in the world and they went out to make a speech and next to him was the deaf-mute translator who was
fake
." The other look, that of
Albert Pla
. Real or a
fake
? Real or a paper?
The contradictions of Albert Pla in Lo de Évole
"I think no one takes me seriously. No one can take my political or social opinion seriously. It would be very sad. It is a very ridiculous situation for them to say that about singers. No one is interested in saying things on TV. They no longer show to people who can cause problems," he said when
Évole
asked him about censorship or condemnations of artists for their lyrics or for the politically correct model that has been established in the media. It was then that
Évole
suggested that he say a phrase that he believed could not be put on television. As
Évole
's father said
, "he is a crazy man who is very sane." He knew how to get out of the trap by turning it around and being the one who locked Évole in his own trap.
"Do you think that those who killed Carrero Blanco were heroes or terrorists?"
Albert
Pla
asked
Évole
.
"Do you think that question can't be asked?" the presenter responded. "No, I want you to answer it because I want to know if you can say whatever you want or not." And Évole got out of the quagmire as best he could: "I think he can be an anti-Franco fighter and at the same time a terrorist."
Albert Pla
is in itself a contradiction. He likes them, he enjoys them. In fact, he confesses that when he wakes up he feels "anarchist", "in the morning I am more communist and in the afternoon I become more bourgeois and I am more right-wing, and at night when I go to bed I am one of those fascists that I would kill." . Reality or
fake
? "A crazy man who is very sane."
So crazy, he knows what he does so well that even death for him is a contradiction, a satire, a farce. Chocolates with the ashes of his deceased great friend
Pau Riba
or the memory of the death of
Javier Krahe
.
Albert Pla
does not imagine himself old because "I have always believed that I am going to die tomorrow." "Before I thought I didn't make it to 40, then I thought I didn't make it to 50 and now I think I don't make it to 60," he assured
Évole
. And that, according to what he said in the middle of the night, in front of the bonfire, he already saw the tunnel the day he suffered a heart attack: "I saw the tunnel and a voice that told me 'come', but I don't think it was referring to me because he spoke to me in Spanish. I didn't feel addressed." "And does that last a long time?"
Évole
asked him . "How long the effect of morphine lasts." Real or
fake
? Albert Pla or a madman who knows very well what he does?
He got wet just enough and necessary, but no matter how little he got wet,
Albert Pla
knows that if you go on TV and say the four or five things he could have said last night, you won't come out from there. Maybe that's why the interviews are difficult for him, maybe that's why he "worships his character."