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I don't know if I am the worst possible moderator for this round table or the best," the writer of this opened the debate that was held on a good Monday morning in Espacio Bulevar, many floors above Madrid's Gran Vía, "because I am the terror of financial managers.

If it were up to me, I'd have the money under the mattress instead of in the bank.

My profile is so conservative that advisors put their hands on their heads."

The guests at the debate that our magazine organized with

Bestinver (Acciona)

-

Marta Vila,

Product specialist at this firm;

Tania Salvat,

head of Institutional Business (Iberia) at

BlackRock

;

Ana Guzmán,

Investment Director at

Portocolom,

and

Elena Domecq,

Sales Executive at

JP Morgan -

agreed: "I think you are the most suitable. You have a very conservative profile, quite common in Spain, where almost 40% of savings It is in deposit (which is like having it under the mattress). Surely your manager would tell you to put that

money to work

so that it would give you, if possible,

positive returns,"

Elena Domecq began.

Ana Guzmán agreed... partially, "because you represent a large part of the population, but I don't agree with you that you are conservative."

As?

"Yes, because by thinking that having money under the mattress is conservative, you are missing out on many opportunities and losing long-term purchasing power."

Marta Vila, Product Specialist at Bestinver.

Earth swallow me.

"To give you an idea," Marta Vila then added, "in 20 years in Spain, the CPI has risen 53%, that is, the 1,000 euros of 20 years ago could now buy half of the things. Is that be conservative? Because it seems that what you want is to lose money, instead of investing in assets that beat inflation, which is the trend now.

Why women invest less

Once the matter is clarified, we get into trouble.

According to the

IV Savings and Investment Observatory in Spain

prepared by

Bestinver

in collaboration with

IESE,

46% of men declare themselves inexperienced in finances, a figure that rises to 64% among women.

We invest less,

don't we like to risk?

Ana Guzmán explains: ·There we are dealing with a

biological issue,

the level of

testosterone

and

cortisol

in men and women.

The more testosterone, the greater the risk taking.

Women, as a general rule, tend to assume less, due to a pure biological profile.

Then there is the cultural issue: we tend to preserve everything related to the family rather than putting it at stake.

There are also the biases that we are all fighting against, that old idea that women know less.

And now, the million-euro question: Why do you have to take risks to invest?

First step: well, take a step

"I believe that to invest you have to

take the step,"

says Tania Salvat;

"You, for example, have decided to go to a

financial advisor.

Just as you would go to the doctor if you felt that your body was bad. It all starts with having that concern. Today you have here four women who work in the financial industry, in positions of responsibility. And it is our responsibility to give visibility to the fact that women

can

also make risky,

non-conservative

decisions ,

we can lead

and we can help others launch themselves. I believe that we must

educate

from childhood on the importance of saving, because

the ability to save is what leads us to the ability to invest...".

Tania Salvat, head of Institutional Business (Iberia) at BlackRock.

What is and what is not risk

Marta Vila offers another perspective: "I think there is a

misconception about risk.

Because many times we consider that

something that is volatile, that fluctuates,

like the stock market, for example,

is something risky.

And that really

depends on our time horizon. Someone who invested before the pandemic could see enormous falls in March or April 2020. Our funds, for example, fell by over 20%. If that person had

left

there, out of fear, he would have lost. He

would

have because you considered that what was happening was

risky

. Well no. If you have a sufficient time horizon and you wait, you would now be making money. It is a very psychological issue, which is why you also have to know where to invest and who to delegate to. You have to invest with a trustworthy house that explains these series of things to you.

Clarifications on the long term

The above makes the following question inevitable: is it an immutable rule in investment matters that the

long term is safe?

According to Elena Domecq, "there are studies that suggest that if you maintain an investment over the years, the

dispersion

that you can obtain from that

profitability

is

much lower.

Therefore,

staying invested is very important.

I believe that here, the advisor has a very important role, conveying to his client that, for example,

volatility is within the normal range.

Over the years there are many

events

that cause financial markets to falter. Suddenly in a calendar year there may be a very large

drop in profitability

, but it is most likely that this year will end with

positive double-digit returns.

I understand that it is difficult to keep yourself invested and not leave in the

moment of panic

- here the advisor has a very difficult role because he must help keep calm -, but it is essential... Because if you leave at the worst moment and wait for everything to be resolved to invest again, the market will have already taken the lead. Over many

years, if you "If you miss the five best days in the market

- because those days tend to come after the worst - if you miss that recovery, the

return

you get is

much lower."

The

financial advisor

is, therefore, almost a

psychologist.

And an

educator

, because he has to train his client.

However, there are those who prefer to invest on their own.

Investing on your own: a good decision?

"It's like you self-medicate instead of going to the doctor," explains Elena Domecq;

"There are many ways to do it yourself, of course, but

taking advice is key."

Ana Guzmán, for her part, brings to light a prejudice abundant in our society: "Sometimes it seems that it

seems bad that they charge you

for advice. But the thing is that when they advise you in a bank they are also charging you, even though you are not you're finding out."

And she adds: "What I believe is that it is

important

to make

decisions for the right reasons

and using the right information."

Who can (and should, according to experts) invest

Next, we address a key issue: who can invest?

What age, professional, or economic profile should someone who decides to 'put their money to work' have?

Ana Guzmán is very clear: "I believe that the step between savings and investment is determined by the fact of having a

proportion of money,

no matter what,

that you will not need tomorrow.

Although you will need it in a month, for example. There You already have a

time horizon

in which to

risk a little.

Because, as we said before,

there is no investment without risk.

From there we should all invest, out of responsibility, because we should all think about ourselves. We need savings that in the future have

greater purchasing power."

Elena Domecq, Sales Executive at JP Morgan.

Domecq adds to the above that "we need

financial planning

to be very clear about what our

spending needs are going to be."

That being said,

anyone can invest.

It is true that in other societies, for example in the United States, people begin to save and invest, if they have the capacity, from the day they start working.

In Spain this decision is reached much later.

But

the sooner you start investing, the greater your potential will be

in the long term." Tania Salvat adds that "everyone who has the capacity to save should invest." And she points out how there are currently multiple figures and formulas to do so, from the

rounding

they propose numerous banks, get started through technological applications, through your bank's advisor...

And what do we do with the

taboo

that still exists in Spain when it comes to talking about money?

All the participants agree that, against this, where we must focus is on

financial education.

Tania Salvat explains in this regard that at BlackRock they have been cooperating with Inspiring Girls for some years "to

bring finance closer to girls.

We are already working in 10 countries, we are trying to get an interest, a stimulus... We should all have that interest."

Invest in sustainability?

Fashion or opportunity?

Once the decision to invest has been made, it is time to decide

what.

Because it is not about putting the money in the hands of a third party and having them do what they want while we are on the hook.

For example, there is increasing interest in investing in

companies that have committed to sustainability.

Or are we already tired of hearing this word?

"I'm glad you asked me that question," jokes Ana Guzmán, an expert on the subject.

"It is true that the word is boring. And there is a fashion component. Therefore, it is time to separate the wheat from the chaff. What is true is that the financial sector can play a great role as a channel of resources towards companies that are on their way towards greater sustainability, to do things better. But this is progressive, because breaking the model on which we have based the system is very complex."

Ana Guzmán, Director of Investments at Portocolom.

Elena Domecq adds in this regard: "

Sustainability

is here to stay. Companies are going to have to invest in it, that is going to involve an expense and from the investment point of view it is

capital that is put to work.

We want to

capture those opportunities

for companies that are working to be more profitable in the future. That is key."

When to invest in an investment fund

Without financial knowledge, it is obvious that it is best to put yourself in the hands of experts.

Investing like our grandparents in a single value - we older people remember the mythical 'matildes' of Telefónica, where so many put their savings - which is equivalent to putting all your eggs in one basket, is not usually the most advisable.

Marta Vila explains that

"the fund is a very useful tool

for the average citizen. You invest in a vehicle that can have 50 companies and it provides us with a way to

program systematic savings.

In Bestinver, for example, you can invest

from 100 euros initially,

then since 50. He is a very interesting figure."

What we can learn from the way the rich invest

As Tania Salvat has experience in managing large assets, at this point, having broken the ice, we dare to ask her a slightly more 'spicy' question: can we learn something from the way

the

rich

invest ?

What do they have that we don't have, besides money?

"I'm going to take the issue to the professional investor," says Salvat.

"My day to day life is to take insurance companies, pensions, etc., that are managing money in the long term. The main thing is that they have a

more defined investment process

and

make better informed decisions.

They respect their investment horizons more, they have more financial culture and

know how to diversify...

In the end, the key is

to allow yourself to be advised.

In general, Ana Guzmán adds, "the rich people I like

do not invest where they do not know or understand,

and

they are disciplined.

They allocate a percentage of the investment, and

they do not look at the newspaper every day."

"Not even the app, like me," I intervene.

How to choose an advisor

All of the above is very good, but...

in whose hands should you put your money?

Ana Guzmán believes that with the one "that aligns your assets with your values. One way is to go to the website of the

National Securities Commission,

see the list and do a little research to find the advisors that best fit you."

What if I stay with

my bank

instead of looking for an advisor?

Marta Vila explains that "it is great to go to your bank to ask. They are probably going to have an open architecture, that is, a lot of products at your disposal, but it is also likely that they do not have as much knowledge of all those products, precisely because they are An independent manager does allow you to get in touch with a person who can explain the product to you in much more depth.

Investing in a house versus investing in the financial market

Marta Vila 'complains' about the resistance of the young Spanish public to investing beyond doing so "in buying a house. Variable income is still scary, there is a great lack of financial training."

-Is the great obstacle to investment in Spain made of brick?

"I would say yes," responds the Bestinver representative.

Tania Salvat intervenes on this point: "I also don't think it is bad to invest to buy a house. In the end it is something that everyone wants. We talk about what 'goal investing' is. There is more and more talk about investing

for objectives

What you have to be clear about in your investment portfolio is that you can have some

short-term objectives

- such as investing

to

do a master's degree -

Goals for when I'm 30 - it could be investing to buy a house -... Obviously , everyone wants to have a decent home, but the important thing is to sit down, do your numbers and think about what your financial objectives are in the short, medium and long term. Even thinking about retirement, even if you are young.

And if I have passed 60, can I start investing?

In this round table, the idea that you have to start

investing young has been repeated on many occasions,

because the sooner you start, the greater the profitability you will achieve.

The above makes it inevitable that this moderator will ask herself - and ask - the following question: "I, who am a disaster... Does it make sense for me to start investing?"

"Taking into account that

life expectancy is increasing,

and that you are going to have a greater percentage of time, God willing, during which you are not working, well,

yes, you should invest,"

Elena Domeqc tells me.

And he adds: "What you are going to want for that moment is a

certain financial stability.

Your approach is not going to be the same as that of a young person. You have to see what your resource needs are going to be, and what your objectives are. The assumption risk will not be the same either. At your age you don't usually start investing in something very volatile.

Marta Vila, for her part, comments that "there are

products for one year

that can give you an interesting return... You have to

organize

yourself , see, with your money, what you want for the day to day, what things for two or three years (fixed income), and what things for more years (variable income). That you make that composition and that you get on with it."

"Come on, you're already late..." she jokes (although she doesn't mean it jokingly at all, I know).

Next, Tania Salvat explains to me that "in addition, there are products on the market that do it for you. If you think a little about what the world of pensions is, there are

products that are life cycle.

If you start investing young you will "They give a greater weight to equities, because it is assumed that your time horizon is long... And they graduate."

And don't screw up

We are running out of time, but I don't want this table to end without asking the four participants one last question:

what is the biggest mistake we make when investing?

"Getting out of the market at the wrong time and not staying invested," Elena Domecq responds instantly.

"Not to repeat, investing where it is not understood," adds Ana Guzmán.

"For the same reason, not respecting the investment horizon," adds Tania Salvat.

"Do not diversify," concludes Marta.

And with this and some shares of a cake...