The Anthill | The Pussy Riot shake Pablo Motos: "They can kill you"

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"(...) Two heroines who have stood up to

himself . The program is going to be a little different."

With this warning

started

last night .

And it is that the visit of the

,

, to El Hormiguero was not going to give a program like the one we are used to.

The situation of both artists and activists, persecuted by

, imprisoned by

, attacked by

's forces , fled their country by

, was more than enough to be aware that what was going to happen in

was at least going to remove more than one conscience.

The reality is that it was much more, the reality is that every answer that

gave to

' questions , every message they sent, every story they told, made every pore of the skin shiver.

started strong

.

The presenter took out an

and asked

and

what it meant to be gay in

and what could happen to him in

if he made the same gesture on Russian television.

's response

, even being the one that everyone already knows, even being the expected one, was so harsh that the rictus of

, always affable before his guests, changed completely.

It was not for less: "If you are gay in

They can kill you and it is absolutely illegal to openly express yourself as gay (...) If you do this on television you would immediately be charged.

They would fire you.

Officially they don't put people in jail for being gay, but other excuses are found.

In Chechnya, for example, there is a dictator completely controlled by

who, if you are gay, directly kills you."

The reason for that flag, the reason for that question is none other than the reason why both members of

are in Spain.

and

will receive the

in Tenerife for their fight in defense of the collective in a country,

, where being gay can cost you your life.

And despite the brutal response of both, it was only the beginning of an interview in which

tried to relax as much as they could.

But it is very difficult to relax when "every time I do an interview I think how many years I would be in a Russian prison for saying what I say."

, confessed

.

And yet, even knowing that if they set foot in

again they would both end up in jail or worse, murdered, they do not want that fear, which any human being would feel, to control their lives.

When

asked them in

if they did not live with the paranoia that they could be poisoned at any moment,

's reaction was to try to play down the matter.

And eye!

Let us not think that because the question was asked in

it was not a brutal question.

Can we imagine what it is like to ask someone if they live in fear of being poisoned just for defending rights and not giving in to

?

laughed, took the cup that is served to all the guests of

and exchanged it with

.

With humor, but with all the meaning and hardness that the question carried with it.

"Would I be worried if they put poison in this cup?" asked

.

Because the life of the

, as

described it , is a "movie life", a horror movie.

has been imprisoned several times for her performance against

.

Probably the best known was the one in which they went to a church.

She condemns it: "Officially, hooliganism motivated by religious hatred."

"We did a performance against

and when you do it against Putin they put you in jail. It is very hypocritical to use the church to defend everything that Putin does. The main promoter of those traditional values ​​that the church defends, such as marriage between men and women, he is a man who has a wife and some children whose names cannot be known (...) the 'holy shit' -expression used in his song- was not the only problem they found. that feminism was an ideology that went against God, the court said, and

, "explained

.

And it was

who also described what Russian prisons are like and what those years were like as a prisoner.

Because it's not just that they sentence you and put you in jail for a performance or for protesting through art against

, it's what comes next: "It's a gulag-type system like the ones in the former Soviet Union. It's a forced labor camp where you sew police and soldier uniforms without any compensation. They give you 3 or 4 dollars a month and you don't have the right to healthcare or anything. You also have punishments.

.

They cancel all your phone calls, they take your clothes, you run out of warm clothes.

I spent 5 months in that type of cell because they were afraid that I would talk about those conditions.

We went to trial for it and won 3 of the 4 trials."

The next question was more than obvious: "Weren't you afraid of retaliation?"

And I don't know if it was harder to listen to how you live pending if one day they poison you or how many years in prison you could get for saying what you think or

's answer to this question: "I'm not going to make jokes like the poison because I'm not as good at humor as Olga, but anything could have happened to me.

. It's much more dangerous than any prison. Because if you're afraid you get stuck in that fear and doesn't let you do anything else. That's why it's important to go through it. We realized that the country was getting worse and worse and that's why we continued".

In fact,

was a police officer before joining the

.

According to what she told last night, she became a police officer because she believed that she could help people that way.

She immediately realized the "mistake" she had made: "I became anti-system when they killed an opposition leader in front of the

."

That is, she lived from the bowels of the system how the system imposed by

works .

She realized the horror, she saw it from the other side, she suffered it from the other side of the coin.

That is, she did not become an activist because of that rebellious and utopian aura of political activism,

The other side came, from the side from which only the brave know how to escape and can escape, even if in that flight you are risking your life.

Both have risked their lives, but without a doubt the life of

, founder of the

, is the clearest example of that terror.

A few weeks ago it was made public how she managed to flee

.

She disguised herself as a delivery girl, she managed to escape, but it was not the first time that she had faced something like this.

"We use different costumes in

", she recounted in

.

"In the World Cup we disguised ourselves as Police to be able to sneak into the soccer field; once to escape from a surrounded apartment I took a suitcase and went inside and my friends disguised themselves as tourists who were going to Turkey and carrying a suitcase. On this occasion, it was my girlfriend who bought the delivery costume when I was in jail because the building I lived in was always surrounded and she had to dress up to get out, so when I found myself in a similar situation I put myself uniform, I left my flat and started my journey to the border,"

explained .

shocking...

However, much more shocking and shocking was when

asked both

if they were afraid of

.

After listening to them, that fear that they described as paralyzing and that they had to go through, it was impossible not to partially cross the viewer.

But they are not, they are not afraid of

, in spite of everything, they are afraid that "what

is doing will be forgotten ."

"He doesn't scare me, but he does scare me that all these horrible things that he and the armed forces are doing will be forgotten because people are dying every day and there are thousands of Ukrainians dying and we have to make

win the war because

is not going to stop there, then it will be the Baltic, Finland... He is not going to stop and you have to stop him," shouted

without doing so .

And then the message came, the one to listen to, the one to think about, the one that is scary: "The first message would be

, we have to take the leap. Every gesture, every opinion is important. Don't wait for a leader who comes to save you, do it yourself".

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