Today, the website of the German government posted an interview with Chancellor Olaf Scholz to Stern magazine.

And I will tell you that this is a very strange interview, full of internal contradictions regarding military operations and the European situation.

To begin with, it becomes clear from it how much the social democracy of Europe has mutated, how much it has betrayed its own programs and ideals.

The interviewer immediately reminds Scholz that, as a young politician, he took part in organizing a gigantic demonstration in Bonn for 300,000 people against the rearmament of NATO in 1981 - and there were three of them in the FRG.

The Chancellor replies: “I refused military service with a gun in the late 1970s.

Today I see things differently.

Since 1998, as a member of the Bundestag, I have endorsed many Bundeswehr persuasion operations abroad.

I couldn't have done it if I had the same ideas I had 20 years ago."

Stern provokes:

"They say that Russian President Vladimir Putin even directly threatened you with a nuclear strike on Germany in a telephone conversation."

Scholz:

"That's nonsense."

Stern:

When was the last time you spoke to Putin?

Scholz:

“Four weeks ago.

If there is something to talk about, I will renew contact.

Our priority is clear: hostilities must cease immediately."

Stern:

“But that can only be done with Putin.

Can you argue with him?

Scholz:

"Anyway, he listened to what we all wanted to say to him in phone calls and conversations."

The German chancellor goes on to say: “If an agreement is reached, the President of Ukraine will probably sit down at the negotiating table with the President of Russia to sign it [peace treaty].

The real problem is that we are still too far away from it...

One thing is clear: Ukraine is negotiating with Russia and with no one else.

We advise and support Ukraine in this, also diplomatically, together with other countries.

But it should not be that others decide for Ukraine or for Ukraine.”

Here the chancellor is disingenuous in full.

The mere decisions to supply heavy weapons, including 50 copies of the Gepard anti-aircraft self-propelled guns, is not only a violation of the previous principles of German policy, but also a direct interference in the fate of Ukraine, isn't it?

And then Scholz admits a completely surprising faux pas: “He (Putin) will have to negotiate with Ukraine.

We will be able and willing to lift our sanctions only in agreement with Ukraine.

I believe that many in the Kremlin have not yet understood this.

This will have devastating consequences for Russia.”

That is, the fate of the German (European) sanctions will now be decided by the Ukrainian “establishment” instead of the German government.

Perfectly.

First of all, this means that after all, everything will be decided by the Americans, and the dream of Ukrainians is that the sanctions are eternal.

That is another reason why it is necessary that no current Ukrainian “establishment” ever exist again.

Otherwise, Ambassador Melnik will forever hover over the Bundestag with a portrait of his beloved Bandera.

And this is quite humiliating for the German state.

The point of view of the author may not coincide with the position of the editors.