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Tammy Faye Bakker was in the 70s and 80s one of the best known figures in the United States. And it was for inventing, in his own way, reality television. From his evangelical religion program, he turned his house, his life and his eyelashes into an emblem and, incidentally, into the perfect image of an entire country. And so on until she fell from grace, mainly due to the financial plundering and sexual havoc of her husband. For almost a decade, the character has haunted

Jessica Chastain (Sacramento, 1977)

as an obsession

.

Up to now.

Tammy Faye's eyes

, directed by Michael Showalter and recently presented in San Sebastián, they turn the work of the actress who has just premiered in Venice the series Secrets of a marriage at the same time into an event and a firm declaration of principles against what is called sexism. After two Oscar nominations, he is already playing.

What attracted you so much about a character with whom you have been living for almost seven years? The feeling of guilt. I have grown up thinking that Tammy was a villain, a clown behind that huge amount of makeup ... And suddenly, looking at the documents of the time, you discover that I was completely wrong. I felt like I owed him something. I remember when I saw his conversation with Steve Pieters (an HIV positive gay man) in 1985 everything changed. We are talking about a time when the government did not even want to talk about an epidemic and that people were dying. I mean AIDS. She looked at the camera, and, against all the televangelists who despised homosexuals, she told millions of Christians that they had an obligation to love… also homosexuals. And a woman did it. Let's not lose sight of him..The movie is a confession of a sin ... Yes. I want to believe that I choose projects that have political importance or relevance. I think it is important to rehabilitate this woman who is a victim of sexist culture. But to what extent is she a victim of sexist culture or an accomplice of that great company that was and is evangelical television? One of the first endeavors of any religion is to become with your wallet. Think that the Vatican even has its own country. Money is always very close to religion whatever it is. In the case of televangelists it is very clear. It was then and it is now in the United States. In fact, a televangelist woman is the top advisor to Donald Trump himself. If you mix television and religion, the possibility of raising money is multiplied exponentially. And yes, there she was.In the film, the most radical of the evangelists already appear declaring a culture war on what they call the gay agenda and the liberal agenda ... It does not seem that we have changed much since the 80s. They are the same arguments as the extreme right, alternative or No, right now, I don't understand where the hate comes from. I could understand that someone who has been hurt feels the need to take revenge, but where does the resentment come from those who only ask to love? Steve Pieters said, "Jesus loves me as I am, Jesus loves me because of the way I love." It's beautiful. Who can go against this? I think we live in a too cynical and negative society that doesn't celebrate love as it should. Tom Cruise, for example, yells at love by jumping on a couch and people get on their nerves. And yet it is a beautiful gesture.Tammy Faye did something similar and everyone laughed at her. I sincerely believe that this hatred that we all profess for ourselves is a social disease. It is something as simple as accepting that we are social creatures.

Jessica Chastain unrecognizable in 'The Eyes of Tammy Faye'.

I imagine that the pandemic has only accentuated the trend ... That's right.

We have been separated and that has only increased the fear.

That is why I believe that the cinema fulfills a social function by bringing many together in a room with the same purpose.

You have to give value to love, being together, without cynicism. You mentioned the word fear as a cause of hatred ... Fear of what? There is a scene in the film where Tammy walks down the street and a group of young people laugh at her and call her

freak

. She approaches, greets each one of them, introduces herself and, as a neighbor, offers herself for whatever they need. He even invites them to eat. And everything changes radically. The moment you meet someone, it is very difficult for you to attack them with impunity. I think, for example, of social networks where it is easy to hate completely anonymously ... Yes, many times I have been insulted for a statement I have made about the rights of women and when I have taken the trouble to see who these people were, I have discovered that, in reality, they are going through some problem in their lives and what they do is turn their pain into hatred. If you approach and help them, as in the movie, everything changes. Love heals and is also contagious.Recently,

Secrets of a Marriage

was presented in Venice

,

the new version of Bergman's classic series in which the roles of man and woman are interchanged with respect to the original. The woman is vindicated. This movie does something similar, it is true that for a long time we have only heard one side of the story. Now we are adding different points of view and that enriches us all. For me, of course, it is an exciting moment from the point of view of the storytellers. Just look at how many female directors are succeeding at festivals in Cannes, in Venice ... Never before have there been so many films directed by women here in San Sebastian ... We are perhaps not aware of what has changed everything in such a short time. Ten years ago, when I worked with Kathryn Bigelow [on

Darkest Night],

she was the only one allowed to work in the United States. The inequality was evident. In the film, you appear practically unrecognizable. I wonder if there is not also a protest against the obsession with the image of Hollywood. Hers is a Hollywood movie in which your star is unrecognizable - for a long time I was unrecognizable not because of makeup but because no one knew me. They asked me: "But do you really go out there?" And he had to convince them. I try to make the characters that least resemble me. I don't want to be a celebrity satisfied with her only public image. I believe I have the right to have the more images the better. I am not fed by vanity, but Hollywood lives on vanity precisely, yes, everything is based on making women desirable.In Venice he got into trouble for a movement of the arm next to Oscar Isaac ... Enough of commodifying women. Definitely, a woman is more than just her appearance.

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