Sandra Maischberger: Intensive care nurse - "I've been in the service for 40 years, I've never experienced anything like it"

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Corona easing for vaccinated people and excessive left identity politics: Sandra Maischberger put two topical issues on the agenda of her talk show late on Wednesday evening and discussed them with Sahra Wagenknecht (left), the virologist Hendrik Streeck and the intensive care nurse Anette Segtrop.

Cabaret artist Mathias Richling, journalist Anna Dushime and journalist Markus Feldenkirchen flanked the debate.

Right at the beginning a violent dispute broke out between Richling and Feldenkirchen about the sense and nonsense of the current lockdown measures.

Richling allowed himself to be carried away to sometimes adventurous comparisons with other diseases, with which he apparently wanted to emphasize the exaggerated caution in dealing with Corona.

Psychological factors

“People can't go on,” he said.

Psychological and sociological factors must also be taken into account in the relaxation debate.

In contrast to AIDS or the plague, the death rate is very low, Richling calculated and showed little understanding for theater closings and exit restrictions.

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Feldenkirchen accused him of polemics.

"What do you mean by that?

Mathematics has shown in the last few months how many deaths we have.

85,000 are more than we should have had in Germany.

I don't know what number you could get along with personally, that was too much for me. "

Intensive care patients getting younger

Anette Segtrop then made clear how dramatic the picture in Germany's intensive care units has actually been for a few weeks: "I've been on duty for 40 years, I've never seen anything like this before." Wave was getting younger and younger and how helpless she often was due to a lack of therapy options.

“At first the measures take effect, but then the virus attacks all organs in the body.

We haven't found a way to deal with this, not even with the youngest.

The whole system tips over - and then it's just over. "

Decrease in the number of infections

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Hendrik Streeck was optimistic that the number of infections could level off at a low level in summer due to the seasonal conditions and the progress made in vaccination.

In the debate about whether vaccinated people should get their freedoms back, Streeck and Feldenkirchen disagreed.

"This is a sensitive debate to which I have no clear answer," said Streeck cautiously.

“Basically it's about social inequality.

You have to create an alternative offer for people who have not been vaccinated, otherwise it is not fair. ”One must absolutely prevent a social division on this issue.

For Feldenkirchen a character test for society: “How do I get if someone is not allowed to do something else that I am also not allowed to do.

I don't envy anyone and especially treat those who have a lower life expectancy.

Why should they stay at home?

Everything that is medically justifiable, these people should be allowed to do. "

Sahra Wagenknecht - the polluter?

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Sahra Wagenknecht was long considered an icon of the left.

Since her most recent book publication at the latest, however, she has been increasingly seen as a polluter in parts of left-wing milieus and her own party.

Above all, she holds up a mirror to well-off big city dwellers who want to make their supposedly progressive life plan the benchmark for society, too uncompromisingly.

In order to get into the topic in a simplified and explosive manner, Maischberger Wagenknecht first addressed the controversial keywords in her book.

For example, the statement that identity politics is focusing on ever smaller and more bizarre minorities.

“Who do you mean by that?” She asked Wagenknecht.

“I don't mean people who are discriminated against because of their appearance, their origin or their sexual orientation,” Wagenknecht clarified.

That would always be imputed to her.

Instead, she criticized Maischberger for the desire of certain groups to simply gain distinction: “These are detached debates in which the whole ambition consists in somehow differentiating oneself from the majority society.

And only that is then valued. "

The problem of the left parties

This is not a special phenomenon in their party, but a social problem in many countries: "Left parties are increasingly isolating themselves from those for whom they should be there." Socially disadvantaged people often felt instructed and patronized.

That plays into the cards above all right-wing parties.

“Many people without an academic background often don't even know why they are suddenly being ostracized as racist or misogynist because they have said something that they used to find normal.

But some 'woken' academics have already put that on the index. "

The black journalist Anna Dushime was typically chosen as Wagenkencht's counterpart.

"It cannot be that people who are not affected decide when real discrimination begins," she criticized.

At this point, Wagenknecht confidently avoided pulling her own migration background and her own experiences of racism out of her hat as a cheap trump card.

Dushime warned against playing things off against each other. She took up another point of Wagenknecht that a company should avoid the term “goat sauce”, even if working conditions had deteriorated at the same time. She had noted that corporations often use such measures for more diversity as a fig leaf to distract from other grievances. A profound discussion between the two was unfortunately not possible at this point, because a fruitless discourse about a tweet from ex-national goalkeeper Jens Lehmann had to be woven in.