The cartoonist Jul explains to the microphone of Europe 1 how he found himself posing with the President of the Republic holding a T-shirt denouncing police violence last January.

According to him, Emmanuel Macron was fully aware of what he was doing.

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The Benjamin Griveaux scandal quickly ousted the case, but the image came to the surface on the occasion of Emmanuel Macron's remarks on police violence in his interview with Brut last Friday.

In January, the president posed holding a "LBD 2020" t-shirt alongside the designer Jul during the Angoulême comics festival.

The visual, diverting the logo of the festival, denounced the use of LBDs by the police against the yellow vests.

Jul ensures at the microphone of Anne Roumanoff, in 

It

feels

good, that 

Emmanuel Macron knew very well what he was doing.

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Jul says he remembers perfectly the moment before the controversial photo was taken, at the fool of a dinner held as part of the festival.

"I called out to the president, who I knew to be a comic book reader, saying 'It's all very beautiful, but you're not doing much for the environment and it's a real problem. And the other question is 'how can you not manage the history of police violence?' ", explains the designer.

"At the time, Emmanuel Macron rejected the term, so we made this little T-shirt." 

"I saw the whole communications team break down"

The designer is then the first surprised by the presidential reaction.

"It was he who caused this photo, to my amazement. It was not at all a trap for him", specifies Jul, who explains that the president could not have not understood what denounced the visual of the T-shirt.

"He saw the drawing very well, we had talked about it for a quarter of an hour with all the people at the table before."

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This controversial gesture could be explained by the personality of the President of the Republic.

"I think Emmanuel Macron always likes to put himself in danger. He is very impulsive," he analyzes.

"When he started to take the T-shirt off and say 'Come on, let's take a picture', I asked him if he was sure of himself. He said 'Yes, yes, we are going to take a picture. 'and I saw the whole communications team break down.

For Jul, in any case, this affair gave a lot of importance to the power of drawing, perhaps even more than it actually has.

"We don't have our finger on the atomic bomb either," he smiles.