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Even a month after the US election, Donald Trump refuses to recognize Joe Biden's election victory.
Instead, the current President of the United States is launching unfounded rumors of electoral fraud at his first rally since the election and has announced further lawsuits against the result.
Under these circumstances, how can a handover succeed in January?
What are Trump's motives?
In the meantime, not even party friends believe that he can still make a difference in the outcome of the election with his accusations of fraud.
And what will change for Germany under President Joe Biden?
Former Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel (SPD), Norbert Röttgen (CDU) and the author Samira El Ouassil discussed the subject of “Countdown in the White House: Trump is going - what will happen?”.
The Democratic MP Angelika Kausche and the Republican Peter Rough were involved from the USA.
"Narcissistic legend status"
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Röttgen was the first to find clear words for Trump's strategy: “He clearly disregards the basic rules of democracy, namely elections.
He attacks the legitimacy of his successor. "
For Röttgen it was clear that Trump was consciously stirring up the population's distrust in democracy in order to knit on his own “narcissistic legendary status”.
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“I was not defeated, we were all betrayed”, that is Trump's narrative, for which he would accept enormous damage.
Is Trump boycotting the handover to Joe Biden?
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The round discussed the scenario that Trump could stay away from the handover in January.
El Ouassil thought such an affront was quite possible.
The boycott of such an important traditional event is only a consistent continuation of his basic anti-institutional attitude.
She outlined a common thread of Trump's political style, in which disregarding the election results was just the icing on the cake.
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Not even Peter Rough wanted to jump in Trump.
Trump would have a "somewhat more pronounced need for recognition" than other politicians, but it is also clear to him that he will no longer hold an office from the end of January.
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Important representatives of the Republicans have meanwhile congratulated Biden and see the election as over.
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Rough also considered it important to take part in the handover, but he did not expect it.
Angelika Kausche, on the other hand, pleaded for a clearer commitment by the Republican Party: "They have to show their colors, whether they still support democracy or not."
Is Joe Biden's Cabinet Too Elitist?
What about Joe Biden?
Will everything get better under his government?
Looking at the staff, Anne Will notices that there is little space left and green positions there.
Is it diverse and black enough, she wants to know from El Ouassil.
Biden's cabinet finds it “too elitist”.
“The political establishment is still very hermetic, and unfortunately that is reflected in the cabinet and reproduced further.
I think that's a problem, ”said El Ouassil.
She criticized the structures in the USA.
In her opinion, access to educational qualifications is still organized in a way that is far too cost-intensive.
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Sigmar Gabriel couldn't do anything with the accusation.
"Everyone who has run for office in the US belongs to the establishment as well as the journalists who report on it, or we here," said Gabriel.
“It's a weird notion that this only works when more people come who have no idea about the job.
It's not bad when a government like this is run by people who know what they're doing. "
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“I consider the establishment thing to be a pure defamation campaign,” Röttgen intervened, preferring to turn to foreign policy by referring to the German perspective.
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"It couldn't have been better for us, with the staff who chose Biden," said Röttgen, who predicted a fundamental change in direction.
"This administration will turn to the world again, it is multilateral and there will again be a relationship of mutual respect."
In the end, Röttgen has to comment on the AfD
After the debate on Trump and Biden produced only sparse new insights, Anne Will finally decided on a delicate and unusual change of subject.
Suddenly it was no longer about Washington, but about Saxony-Anhalt.
There will be a vote on Wednesday on the increase in the license fee.
“Can the CDU vote against it together with the AfD ?, she wanted to know from Röttgen.
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Röttgen, after all a candidate for the CDU chairmanship, confidently parried the surprising question.
Röttgen vehemently resisted the narrative of a collaboration with the AfD.
The coalition agreement in Saxony-Anhalt is clear on this issue.
"The SPD and the Greens have left these agreements, the CDU stuck to their opinion," said Röttgen soberly.
"The Greens and the SPD cannot define the CDU's position as to what it is," Röttgen continued.
He accused the two parties of instrumentalizing the AfD in the fight against the CDU.
“The CDU has a position, who else votes for or against is a different question.
But the CDU has never made common cause with the AfD and will not do that either.
I can guarantee that. "