Interview with Bai Yansong, member of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, on information disclosure, epidemic situation and charity
Let professional people do the most valuable things
Since January 20, the National People's Political Consultative Conference member Bai Yansong's "News 1 + 1" epidemic connection report has been uninterrupted. In his own words, "There is no ancient people before CCTV", but he also does not want to come later. " Because I do n’t want this to happen again. "
For four months, he used his question as a "weapon" to approach the truth, handed the microphone to experts such as Zhong Nanshan and Wang Chen to clarify the public, and handed it to the local government officials deep in the public opinion field to promote information disclosure.
Compared with SARS 17 years ago, Bai Yansong believes that information disclosure has been made much earlier. "But as a media person, I always look forward to whether it can be faster or earlier. It can't be said that it is OK compared with 17 years ago." In his words, it is necessary to hand the scalpel to the future and cure the bone Our body is healthier.
Asked what was the most valuable thing to learn in this epidemic, he said that letting professional people do professional things is the most valuable thing.
Talking about information disclosure
Passing a scalpel to cure bone poison in the future can make you healthier
Beijing News: You have participated in the SARS report throughout the process. Compared with 17 years ago, how did you evaluate the government's information disclosure in this epidemic?
Bai Yansong: On the one hand, the outbreak was much more serious than SARS 17 years ago. On the other hand, the government had many problems with information disclosure during SARS. At the end of the year, the State Council began training "Huangpu Phase I" spokespersons, which kicked off the construction of a large-scale government spokesperson. Therefore, we generally believe that 2003 is the first year of government information disclosure.
In this epidemic, "News 1 + 1", a member of the expert group connected on January 15, said at the time that there were "limited person-to-person", but it is still uncertain whether it will continue to pass from person to person. On January 20, Academician Zhong Nanshan told the Chinese that it was "virus-to-human". It is conceivable that if it is postponed for a period of time as it was 17 years ago, what are the consequences?
In addition, this press conference is not simply broadcasting data, but the health and health committee in conjunction with multiple departments of the State Council, members of the expert group, etc. This is very different from 17 years ago.
Beijing News: Do you think there are any improvements in information disclosure?
Bai Yansong: We have to think about what happens if it is faster and earlier? The epidemic is spreading all over the world. Some people say you are not handing foreigners a knife? No, I am handing a scalpel to the future. Bone curettage will make our body healthier.
Beijing News: Compared with 17 years ago, what is your biggest feeling?
Bai Yansong: 17 years ago, almost no one experienced such a large-scale public health disaster. But this time, after a journey of 17 years, it will naturally be compared with the experience and lessons accumulated in 17 years.
For the past 17 years, I have been a health promoter of the health system for 15 years. I have dealt with the CDC, Zhong Nanshan, and Wang Chen. Being a health promoter for many years in a row is also a stimulation that SARS has brought me to some extent.
Health is 1, both for individuals and countries. 1 is, the more 0s behind it, the more valuable it will be. If there is a problem with the previous 1 one day, no matter how many 0s are behind, they are all 0s.
Talk about the epidemic
Face the epidemic and apply a more open attitude response
Beijing News: What do you think is the most valuable thing we can learn from this epidemic?
Bai Yansong: Let professional people do professional things, which is the most valuable.
On January 20, Academician Zhong Nanshan, on behalf of the expert group, told the Chinese that there is a "human-to-human" phenomenon in the new type of pneumonia. It is very important to let professional people do professional things and the government decides to listen to the opinions of experts. I certainly look forward to more credible experts like Zhong Nanshan, Li Lanjuan, and Wang Chen in more areas of China in the future. When we encounter something, we know who to see, who to ask, and who to listen to. The road to professionalism is still very long.
Beijing News: How should officials treat expert comments?
Bai Yansong: Not only in the field of public health, there are more fields that need more and better experts. The government can listen to the voices of experts when making decisions and make the right decisions, which is too much for what we do Important. If China deserves the position of a big country, there must be its own Zhong Nanshan, Wang Chen, and Li Lanjuan in many fields.
Beijing News: What do you think about different voices?
Bai Yansong: This involves the question of where China is going. China must definitely go to a wider place, more open and open, with more twists and turns in the middle, but the general direction is like this. Faced with the epidemic, we should respond with a more open and reformed attitude, so that we can feel that we have received a positive response at such a high price.
There are many Chinese voices in this world, the most important thing is to do your own thing well. During this time I often say a word, keep calm and move on. At this time, China very much needs to maintain a calm concentration and do our own things well.
The same is true of our news business. Over the years, we have been discussing the integration of new media every day, but the question is, how many reporters will ask, how much ability do we have to gather facts? Are we the best reporter in this society? How many people can insist on not being promoted for a lifetime and only being a good reporter.
The media should also think about it. We need to be an extremely professional group. Regardless of new media, old media, or new media in the future, professionalism is never outdated, and we must have our own core strength. I also learned from the live broadcast of the epidemic this time. My only weapon is to ask questions.
Beijing News: Are there any questions you want to ask but not ask?
Bai Yansong: I always wanted to ask questions when connecting. At first, some netizens would say, "Yo, dare to ask". There were so many comments at the beginning. Sometimes I was very surprised. It turned out that the audience's expectations were not so high. I think it's a normal question.
In fact, we should not use "dare to ask" to measure, but "should not ask". The most important thing for a reporter is to focus on the process. The conclusion is not what you can draw, but you must use your questions to get closer to the most true conclusion.
Beijing News: There was a relatively torn phenomenon during the epidemic. For example, Dr. Zhang Wenhong quickly became popular at the beginning, but later suffered many criticisms. What do you think of this?
Bai Yansong: At the beginning of the epidemic report, live broadcast was performed at night. During the day, many people criticized and criticized me. Later I thought that academician Zhong Nanshan was vilified, academician Li Lanjuan was questioned, and Zhang Wenhong also accumulated a lot of troubles. I want to drive. In front of the national crisis, personal reputation is not important.
During the epidemic, the environment of public opinion was torn, confrontation, and rumors were flying. I believe many people this time saw the terrible situation of the new coronary pneumonia epidemic and the terrible situation on the other side.
Talk about charity
Transparency and openness need to be solved by mechanisms rather than mouths
Beijing News: Your proposal for the two sessions this year is about the reform of public welfare and charity. What are the considerations?
Bai Yansong: I have been dealing with charity organizations for a long time, from the beginning of the Hope Project to nearly 30 years now. In the past 10 years, everyone paid attention to the Chinese Red Cross. At the beginning of the outbreak, everyone focused on public welfare charities, and netizens also scolded. We must talk about where the problem lies and how to carry out relevant reforms.
In fact, there are many problems here. A simple example, a social organization that acts as a charity for charity, has the meaning of "little horse drawn cart" in major emergencies. It certainly has places with insufficient capacity and needs rapid improvement, but it is more because the response mechanism of charity charity in the entire major emergencies is not smooth.
The Hubei Red Cross and Wuhan Red Cross have only 30 people combined. Their coping ability is okay. However, in the face of such a major emergency, it is difficult to get things done with ten times of effort.
Therefore, the first item of my proposal this time is that governments at all levels attach importance to the emergency response of public welfare charity organizations in major emergencies, because it is public opinion and public opinion. The public opinion event destroys the reputation of public welfare charities on the surface, and the government is behind The issue of credibility.
Until now, neither the Wuhan Red Club nor the Hubei Red Club wanted to develop the cloth fair. At the end of January, I asked the then secretary of the Wuhan Municipal Party Committee if the charity organization could hold regular press conferences, once every three days, and finally failed.
Transparency and openness must be solved by mechanisms, not by mouth. Only mechanisms empower them and give them rights.
Beijing News: How do you view the public's supervision of the Red Cross?
Bai Yansong: Any charity must face public supervision. This is something we have been promoting for so many years. In the past many years, there have been many rumors accompanying charity organizations. This time, the Red Cross hasn't started yet. There are rumors that the Red Cross will charge a 6% management fee. If you blame it, someone will say that you will wash it.
In the Guo Meimei incident in 2011, the official conclusion was that it had nothing to do with the Red Cross. But now go online to read messages, many people think that Guo Meimei and the Red Societies are closely connected. This all requires us to think about how to promote reform, how to be transparent and open, how to respond quickly to emergencies, and how to make it public. If you look down and pretend that nothing has happened, you will feel wronged when you are scolded, and nothing will change after you are scolded, then continue to be scolded next time.
The Beijing News: You are also the vice chairman of the Chinese Red Cross. The Hubei Red Cross was caught in the whirlpool of public opinion in the early stage of the epidemic and was also questioned.
Bai Yansong: When I became a part-time vice president of the Chinese Red Cross in September last year, the official website had already released news. There is no level for part-time work, no penny salary, no desk, in fact, it can only be regarded as a senior volunteer. In addition to scolding, I will not take anything from the Red Cross, I am also a retrograde. However, I thought that I would be part-time for a part-time job, and I would leave as soon as I turned around. Instead, I wanted to do something more because of the voice of the epidemic, to promote reforms and slowly eliminate these doubts.
The Beijing News: You invested in the epidemic report in the first half of the year. How do you perform your duties and collect information about the problem?
Bai Yansong: All the original proposals have been pushed, such as the reward mechanism for vocational education, how to allow vocational education students to get more incentives, there is an upward channel, another proposal is to reform the situation of college students internship.
Beijing News: When did you have an idea to change the proposal?
Bai Yansong: The epidemic situation was known within a few days since the situation changed, and everyone's focus was changing. I am afraid that most of the committee members have similar mental journeys.
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