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"You must be very relaxed these three weeks of interviews with politicians?" Began Nuria Roca , flag bearer where there are Pablo Motos , his section in El Hormiguero . The section of Nuria Roca is none other than to bring to the program the most exaggerated headlines and critics with the presenter who have been published in the press to leave them in the same ridicule that Pablo Motos usually leave. Given the three weeks that the presenter had to spend with his interviews with Santiago Abascal, Íñigo Errejón, Pablo Casado, Albert Rivera and Pablo Iglesias -Pedro Sánchez did not want to attend- it was clear that last night Nuria Roca went with the guns well loaded.

Usually, Nuria Roca reads the headlines, makes a little joke, gets rid of the medium in question and here peace and then glory. 'We have already given it back, dear Pablo,' he has to say every time he goes. But, on this occasion, such have been the criticisms that Pablo Motos has received, that indeed, the presenter, who is usually criticized for everything, but never enters because that is why Nuria Roca is there, last night in the visit of Antonio Resines and Álex García , hit the table and for the first time responded and faced the reproaches.

And this time it is also true that certain limits have been crossed, such important limits as freedom of expression and the freedom of a journalist or an interview program, because we should not forget El Hormiguero is an interview program, Interview whoever you consider, and more when it is fully up to date. And yes, I am referring to the interview of Pablo Motos to Santiago Abascal , the first interview of the 10-N program of political interviews, the toughest and, above all, the one that marked all that came later.

El Hormiguero: The "movida" of Santiago Abascal and Pablo Motos

The toughest reviews

They have called him everything: "fascist" , "communist" , "progre", "red", "facha" and "redhead", word of Nuria Roca. Last night not only different items were placed on the table - among them, some of mine - but also the tweets of some spectators were removed in which he is described as "red-haired fascist, " which "is as red as his beard " , that" he sees the duster ", that" never see El Hormiguero again because Pablo Motos is a communist ", that" Pablo Motos is the façade of the whole life of God "or the heaviest of all," look the communist Pablo Motos, look at him, look at him, look at him, he needs to sing the international while he burns four churches, fucking demon beginners .

Obviously, Pablo Motos , the guests and Nuria Roca took it in a mess, what can be done, but there was not so much messing when the criticisms more than his person or his ideology entered into more painful terrain, in the fact that a program like El Hormiguero , the most watched television program, first, it has the capacity to interview politicians and, secondly, if it should give voice to the Vox leader - without having planned it, I got a couplet.

Íñigo Errejón, the 'sicario' of El Hormiguero

After reviewing some press headlines about the interviews with five of the candidates, Pablo Motos made it very clear: " If the leftists or the rightists have become angry, I have done something well . At least I have agreed ". Man, seen like that, some reason leads. But I do not think that the problem of Pablo Motos' interviews with politicians in these elections was that, I think the problem is that there was an interview that marked the program and marked the development of those who came later, and it was not other than the one he did to Santiago Abascal .

That interview in which Pablo Motos wanted to put Santiago Abascal on the ropes, but the one who ended up on the ropes was him, led him to be harshly criticized by all sectors, all sides and all ideologies . The most supporters of Santiago Abascal have described him as a communist or friend of Stalin for the hardness of his questions, questions that by the way, did not deal with issues that Abascal himself would not have said on other occasions; and the less supporters of the Vox leader calling him "fascist" for having helped wash the image of Santiago Abascal. Well, neither one nor the other. Neither Pablo Motos is Lenin's lost son, nor is he Franco's cousin .

Santiago Abascal was reinforced from that interview because Santiago Abascal did not go with half measures . He said things, we like them more or we like them less, as he really believes them and of which he is totally convinced. And it is that conviction that makes him emerge from interviews where he is questioned about his opinion about abortion, gay marriages, adoptions of the LGTBI collective, immigrants, weapons, etc. What to hear of a politician who would allow homosexual adoptions, but of children who were not adopted by tradition families, is terrible, it is, but it is not Pablo Motos' fault. And what has been tried with the interview of Santiago Abascal in El Hormiguero is to blame Pablo Motos for what the Vox leader said, and that was not the case.

The interview with Abascal marked everything

Although in this round of interviews, Pablo Motos did not receive any of the politicians with his typical "today he has come to have fun at El Hormiguero" as it did in the elections of 28-A, it was the interview with Santiago Abascal that changed for Complete the tone of the program. El Hormiguero interviews are fun, curious, surprising interviews, they are not the typical interviews of other programs , and with the same politicians, until Santiago Abascal arrived.

The interview with the Vox leader was so tense and it was so abrupt that he did not allow himself to play with anything El Hormiguero always offers , except for the Iberian ronde of the ants. It lasted exactly 49 minutes plus 7 with the ants and after the innumerable criticisms that Pablo Motos and the program received because it had been very hard, because it had been very loose, the presenter decided that they would all be the same, that not one iota of what same as I had done with Abascal, and when I say that not even an apex would come out, it is as it is.

Not only did he format the format, not only did El Hormiguero become another program of policy interviews with nothing more to offer than being in El Hormiguero , it also conditioned that Pablo Motos was as hard as it had been with Abascal, or equal of soft, as you look, with the other candidates. Thus, if Abascal took all the controversies that have revolved around his party and his ideology , with the rest he could not be different. To Errejón with his act of deputy of the Assembly of Madrid , his bad vibes with Pablo Iglesias, his betrayal of United We can or his salary. To Pablo Casado with corruption , with his similarities with Rivera, with his refusal to take the picture with Vox, with his inability to get Spain out of the political blockade. To Albert Rivera, Rivera, Rivera ... , we better leave him in that "I want to stand against you, but he couldn't" that made the program explain on Twitter that exactly it wasn't like that - fake - and that Pablo Motos had no preference for any politician. And Pablo Iglesias with Amancio Ortega , with cancer, with his bad vibes with Sánchez, with Catalonia ...

The attack by Pablo Iglesias on Amancio Ortega that brought out the worst Pablo Motos

That is, although many do not want to see it, Pablo Motos wanted to behave in the same way with everyone as he behaved with Santiago Abascal, or at least he tried. The point is that none of the other candidates generates as much love and hate as General Santiago Abascal . It would not matter how the interview with the Vox leader would have been, Pablo Motos would have taken them the same.

Nuria Roca then echoes two opinion articles, one under the title Thank you Pablo Motos, who is in the skies of the television left, for wearing the prodigal duster , of La Paseata and signed by Rodolfo Arévalo, and in which criticized the communist tendency of Pablo Motos, "a dangerous red", during the interview with Abascal; and another, signed by Antonio Maestre and published in eldiario.es under the title Fascism is built with people like Pablo Motos , in which, as described by Nuria Roca, if the first spoke of Stalin, he spoke of Stalin and in which it is criticized that if in his time "some journalists bleached Hitler", Pablo Motos has done the same with Abascal and that Pablo Motos "does not have to interview Abascal" and that "someone like Abascal does not have to be interviewed in El Hormiguero ".

Motorcycles touch the fiber

And although usually in the section of Nuria Roca, Pablo Motos is usually kept out of the way and let it be his benefactor who releases all the bile, this time Pablo Motos touched the sensitive fiber and in an unprecedented event he replied. Imagine how the criticism and controversy should be so that the man who never enters into these types of questions will end up entering. "It turns out that I am responsible for all things Vox ...," said Motos when he heard part of the Maestre article. But the best came when Nuria Roca recovered a tweet from Antonio Maestre in which he said that "who does not understand that Jordi Évole interviews Otegi believes little in democracy and journalism."

Pablo Motos gives no respite to Pablo Casado

"So if I interview Otegi, Alberto -Antonio- is good for him?" , Motos replied. Nuria Roca then took another tweet from Maestre in which the journalist said he wrote for "intelligent people who understand what he reads." And there it was Motos: "No, Master, no. When you write an article, the article reads it to the best the fool of the people ..." And his leader continued to justify that he writes for intelligent people because people understand what What is an interview program and what is not, and again another tweet: "But do you understand the difference between interview and entertainment program? Or I put the dolls?".

"What are you saying? What is this not a talk show? Done over 2,000 . Let me clarify one thing, Abascal after being in El Hormiguero has been in Ana Rosa Quintana, in the news of Vicente Vallés, in La Razón , in Susanna Griso, in the TVE Breakfasts ... he has only needed to be in Save Me Banana . " And period

Yes, Santiago Abascal has been interviewed in all the networks and in all the programs and for having this, our television, and why he was not going to be interviewed in El Hormiguero , as they were Casado, Sánchez, at the time, Rivera , Errejón, Iglesias or how it goes every two times three Miguel Ángel Revilla. It is called the right to inform, it is called freedom of expression. The problem of these last interviews with politicians of Pablo Motos has not been the interviews itself has been that El Hormiguero lost its essence to become the same as we see in Ana Rosa or in Susanna or in the Breakfasts of the public. They did not have fun, they did not entertain, they twitched, and that is what everyone already does.

As Álex García said and he could not say it better: "I am actually going to do something that I think is the best thing that can be done with all these people who have come to be interviewed and those who have given their opinions, and that is what that we all need most today . "

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