In four seasons and more than 50 numbers of his precious "Divan", Marc-Olivier Fogiel has hosted actors, filmmakers, philosophers and politicians. He had never received a psychiatrist. That is done, with Boris Cyrulnik, Friday, November 29, at 22:55 on France 3.

On the occasion of the diffusion, on France 3, of a number of the "Divan of Marc-Olivier Fogiel" dedicated, for the very first time, to a psychiatrist, the animator producer returns this interview not like the others.

This is the first time you have received a psychiatrist. How was the exercise special?

It has been in more than one way. Particularly first because Boris Cyrulnik is a psychiatrist - profession obviously very attentive to the listening - and that the device of the emission, if it is conceived to welcome the word, is nonetheless a decoration. Particularly secondly because I had to be at the height of my interlocutor. I put a lot of pressure on myself. Particularly because he had to convince him to participate in the show. Boris Cyrulnik doing nothing like that, on a corner of the table, months of discussions, moreover extremely interesting, were necessary for him to accept. Particularly because his personal history - deportation, arrest ... - his difficulties to tell, echo my family history. So, inevitably, I put a lot of me in this meeting.

And ... Would you say you were up to it?

Very objectively, yes. It seems - he says it himself - to have appreciated the quality of my listening and I think I knew how to accompany it as it was necessary. To the point that, according to his wife himself, he said things he had never said before. For me it's an honor and a success. And this is one of the programs I'm most proud of, although I know in advance that this is not the one that will beat audience records. But whatever. I have the chance to wear it, to have all the necessary time for the preparation and maturation of each issue and to have the full confidence of France 3. It is a huge privilege. Lessivant, when I come back from recordings, for example Boris Cyrulnik and William Sheller in the same day, I am an empty shell, but a very great privilege.

You arrive at the end of the fourth season. Will there be a fifth?

If it's up to me, obviously. I've had a lot of shows and I do not see how I could get tired of that. It requires work, empathy, humility, probably a certain know-how, a knowledge to speak with the other. But what is even more interesting is its double reading, namely what you learn from the story of the guest, but also what you learn from the world. "The Divan" produces, I would say, universal sounds. As for Boris Cyrulnik, obviously. But with regard to William Sheller, who will be my last guest this year, too. Through their trials as through their joys ...