Bayer 04 Leverkusen is currently the most successful German football team. This podcast explains why flying high is primarily the achievement of a newcomer - and what other managers can learn from Fernando Carro.

Christoph Neßhöver, reporter for manager magazin, followed Carro for weeks and identified his success factors. How exactly does Carro act, what is his plan - and why is he currently on the way to permanently becoming the most powerful man in German football? The “Das Thema” podcast is hosted by Sven Clausen.