“Some products will begin to“ fight ”by the end of December”: Rogozin on the use of promising developments in the NVO zone

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- The task was to achieve elementary order in such a high-tech industry as rocket and space in four years, even in less time.

But the main achievement is, first of all, if we talk about general statistics, trouble-free launches.

We have never had anything like this in our domestic, including Soviet, or foreign history of launches.

I left - there were 86 launches, and by inertia, I hope this will continue further, it continues while we are working.

We used to have five to two accidents a year.

This is a very significant achievement.

The most important achievement is, of course, the completion of the construction of the second stage of the Vostochny cosmodrome.

There was a little thing left - landscaping.

Thus, the country received absolutely independent access to outer space.

I consider it extremely important to complete the construction of the Russian segment of the International Space Station, launch the sciences module, which before me was actually scrapped, and we raised it.

For eight days they did the hardest work, extremely nervous.

I will remember for the rest of my life, but everything ended successfully with docking.

Now the module has acquired its own appearance, and it is possible to dramatically expand the number of scientific experiments there.

If we talk about the combat theme, then this, of course, is the first successful test of the Sarmat heavy intercontinental ballistic missile.

I led a working group that overcame the enormous technical difficulties that always accompany this kind of work.

There was another legendary story while you were in this post that became an internet meme in an instant.

This is your exchange of barbs with Elon Musk on Twitter.

- Initially, I began to use this resource, this social network to interpret events from my point of view.

He wrote in different languages ​​in order to instantly bring this information to Western public opinion.

Twitter for me is an element of information warfare, primarily in Western territory.

I didn't expect you to enjoy this skirmish.

In fact, we are with Musk ... He is a talented person, I have great respect for him and at the same time with prejudice, because he works for the Pentagon, and, in fact, I warned that those of his most interesting technical ideas would shoot sooner or later against us, which happened, for example, in the part of Starlink.

But at the same time, I say it again: I pay tribute to his undoubtedly great organizational and political talent.

- You yourself touched on the story about Starlink.

We see how this story about the Internet for everyone and everyone anywhere in the world has become an absolutely military tool.

They

- I must say that not only military satellites work for them, civilian, private ones work for them - everything there is.

These are hundreds of spacecraft of all countries, united by the Western community, which today works for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Not only American and not only military.

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I have a table of flights over the special military operation zone of all devices that transmit data, primarily optical-electronic reconnaissance, electronic reconnaissance.

This, of course, is two orders of magnitude more than ours.

And this is serious.

Can we compete with our numbers?

No, of course it's not possible.

Firstly, we also have such satellites, except for radar ones, which will appear only next year.

But in general, we also have optical-electronic devices and civilian ones, which, under the auspices of Roskosmos, operate in the interests of, for example, the Ministry of Emergency Situations or, say, Rosleskhoz, and so on.

They are also connected now in order to review and transmit information, the one that is necessary for decision-making.

Our Ministry of Defense also has spacecraft.

We just don't advertise it much.

But, of course, there are much fewer of them, because the totality of the entire Western world works for Ukraine.

Let's move from space to the present.

Now what are you doing?

- I lead a group of military and military-technical advisers who work in the zone of a special military operation and who provide maximum support to our units that carry out the tasks set by the president.

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First of all, these are the army corps of the DPR and LPR, the first, second corps, this is the Union of Donbass Volunteers.

These are volunteers who work within the BARS, the so-called combat army reserves.

We are mainly based in the DPR, we work in the LPR.

I spend most of my time there, I've been there for two months already.

I just came to Moscow for a few days.

Is this an official position?

No, I'm a volunteer.

I serve my homeland as a volunteer, and all my comrades are the same.

- PPVK "Tsar's Wolves" - such a phrase has appeared recently.

What is PPVK in general, why such a name and what exactly do you do?

- The name "Tsar's Wolves" itself is legendary.

I was a volunteer before, and in my youth, in my youth, I fought in Transnistria in 1992.

In 1994-1995, he was an adviser to the President of the Republika Srpska, Radovan Karadzic, and the commander of the Serbian troops, Radko Mladic, and just worked with Russian volunteers.

We called it RDO-1, RDO-2 - Russian volunteer detachment first, second, and so on.

They were institutionally part of the Serbian special forces unit, which was called the "White Wolves".

The Serbs called us that - "Tsar's Wolves" to distinguish Russians from Serbs.

Therefore, the name goes like this, we have kept it.

The veterans of this movement are still active today.

What are we doing?

This is primarily interaction with our numerous Kulibins, that is, they are developers, mostly private, of systems that provide tactical level actions.

These are different drones, attack and reconnaissance, they are means of electronic warfare and electronic intelligence, because our enemy is terrorizing our first line, dropping various bombs.

Therefore, we worked out and tested this system first at the training grounds of the Donetsk People's Republic, and then directly on the defense line, showed its highest efficiency and, accordingly, we further recommend it for adoption before its mass production.

We also tested complexes of mortar sights - the so-called smart sights.

This is the development of NPO Automation, the city of Yekaterinburg.

The most talented young developers who arrived were not afraid, we ensured their safety, agreed with the army corps to conduct tests first at the training ground.

Now we are transporting an experimental batch of such smart sights.

They allow the mortar crew to provide targeting and high-precision hitting the enemy with 120- and 82-mm mines much faster.

In addition, this and other areas of work.

But mostly tactical tasks.

Communication, of course, communication, because with communication ... The conflict turns the general idea of ​​\u200b\u200bhow actions should be carried out against a high-tech adversary.

Therefore, here it is necessary to look at the strategic link.

For example, front-line aviation.

We are well aware that front-line aviation (we have always been proud of it) is our Su-30SM, Su-34, Su-35, MiG-35, which has not yet been used, but is on the way, and so on.

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But now we see a continuous field of air defense.

Moreover, there are deliveries of American equipment, British equipment, European countries, and therefore cheaper air defense systems practically close the field for front-line aviation.

As well as army aviation.

Too big losses.

What does this mean?

This means that it is necessary to revise the principles of struggle, just like the principles of struggle, say, of the surface fleet.

Everything that is now a large target is on the screen, on the radar, is a target for destruction.

It flips the idea of ​​what it should be like to fight against a high-tech adversary.

It is no longer possible to fight in the old ways.

The same is a tactical link.

For example, we started talking about social networks.

Do you know that today, in many ways, social networks are almost an alternative source of target designation and coordination of artillery and reconnaissance?

Paradox, that's how it is.

All sorts of chats that are formed by military personnel, through which information is instantly transmitted.

For example, civilian drones, which were created in the interests of postal deliveries, some kind of parcels, now instead of parcels they deliver other parcels, already with TNT, and so on.

In fact, a special military operation is a colossal test for the entire Russian military-industrial complex, which is no longer perceived only as a state enterprise.

This is the business of all our talented engineers and developers.

And our task is to accept them, bring them there, ensure their testing, test it in battle, test it, including on the line of contact, where the enemy operates with his own means of jamming electronic warfare, where operators who are the target for the enemy are being fired upon.

We work in real combat conditions.

How successful is this work?

As far as, as I understand it, all these technologies are not on stream, these are some kind of piece-assembled, not in a garage, of course ...

- Once in the garage.

Once in the hangars.

There is no need to be embarrassed here.

You see, what's the matter, I already said: there are a lot of talented people.

And fearless, who are ready to go there and conduct research, tests directly on the spot.

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But it is important for us, from this cohort of people that comes, to choose those who not only can offer something unique, but where we understand that we can launch it in a series.

A series is the availability of components, a series is the presence of some kind of production, the availability of organizational capabilities, logistics, and so on.

- In percentage terms, how much can really go into a series of those developments that you have already seen?

- 30-40%.

- When can we see it in combat?

Can we see application within the NWO?

- Some products will already begin to “fight” before the end of December.

So far, experimental batches are ten, 20, 30 products at the same time.

This is already ten, 20, 30 mortars, or, say, some systems of the same electronic warfare, or some kind of communication systems.

It is very good.

Some will appear at the turn of four to six months.

- This is the immediate future.

— Quite right.

- Where will it be produced?

Are there any factory capacities?

— I am looking for industrial partners for these developers, I negotiate with them.

- You said that the methods of warfare are being reviewed.

Are we the only ones who have not kept up with modern methods, or are our so-called Western partners also now looking at everything that is happening, from a slightly different angle?

– We see that the Armed Forces of Ukraine... I don’t know, maybe there were some people who underestimated them, but in fact you will agree with me: when the division took place in the Soviet Union in 1991, the Ukrainian armed forces were created on the basis of the three most advanced military districts.

These are Odessa, Kyiv and Transcarpathia, these were the advanced districts of the Soviet Union, which were in contact with the NATO machine.

It is, of course, a crime that Ukraine was given the opportunity to actually profit from the colossal margin of safety of Soviet military power.

Plus, there are very powerful firms on the territory of Ukraine, which have always been the golden fund of the Soviet military-industrial complex.

If we talk, for example, about the rocket and space industry, Yuzhnoye Design Bureau and Yuzhmashzavod.

If we talk about marine engine building, this is Zorya - Mashproekt, this is the magnificent Motor Sich enterprise in Zaporozhye, the owner of which was recently arrested by the SBU, Boguslayeva.

This is the Antonov Aviation Plant.

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In 2014, when we gave them, they hit our militia near Debaltsevo, remember, the Debaltsevo cauldron.

They failed, but they drew conclusions.

And it is very important that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in general have opened up to private companies.

The combat control system, the so-called Nettle, is, in fact, the development of private traders and the American support that was provided.

And now the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been studying all these years, they have nurtured their rather serious armed forces.

Once again, I want to emphasize high-tech.

Until we eliminate this abscess, until we defeat Ukraine, I will tell you more, Ukraine as an outpost of the West... So long as we take Kyiv, sorry, we won't take it, it won't end.

- Your outfit is discussed quite extensively.

The photo is the same everywhere, where it is allegedly written: a bulletproof vest made in Austria, a machine gun made in Germany.

It means that everything is NATO, except for the helmet.

Our helmet.

- Of course, I could have reacted rudely to this, because people, to put it mildly, are very skeptical about these couch idiots who sit looking at catalogs, looking at our photos through a magnifying glass and so on.

They would have shown themselves better there with their prudence.

But I will say this: we, volunteers, have the opportunity not just to be supplied by the Ministry of Defense.

The Ministry of Defense supplies the Ratnik first of all.

I was involved in its development, at least the first complex, I think it is a very good complex.

I use "Warrior".

If you really understand it, I have two helmets, one of them with acoustic headphones, also from Ratnik, and the second is from Armkom, also Russian.

So, "Warrior" and "Armkom".

Our body armor is very good, we have excellent aramid fibers.

I do not know who wrote nonsense there.

The uniform I myself wear is Pridnestrovian, I already told you that I was a volunteer there, then I was a special representative of the president for six and a half years in Pridnestrovie.

Pridnestrovians make magnificent military uniforms and camouflage, they are supplied to Austria and other countries.

Perhaps someone saw such a form in Austria.

But I want to say again, read carefully, this is a Pridnestrovian military uniform, and I consider it extremely convenient for conducting those sabotage and reconnaissance operations in which I take part.

Is there really a fundamental difference?

Volunteers often equip themselves.

There is a fundamental difference - did you equip yourself with NATO ammunition or is it domestic?

- At the front, you use everything that is convenient for you, because even weapons, by and large, are part of your body.

You live with him, you sleep with him.

You should choose what suits you best in terms of ergonomics.

Secondly, to solve those combat missions that you face.

We have some trophies, of course.

And the volunteers have a lot of captured weapons.

We mine and sometimes use it if it suits.

But in general, of course, we still use mainly Russian ones, because, I repeat, it is extremely important to have weapons that can be repaired, replaced, used ... in terms of ammunition.

All this should be available, and this should only be Russian.

- What do the guys themselves, who are now at the forefront, say?

- If we talk about those, about that circle of my contacts, then these are volunteers and these are our battalions, Donetsk and Lugansk.

They have the highest motivation because they protect their land.

They have lost their comrades, their families are under fire.

Our military is a different story.

I also spoke with our conscripts, those who are mobilized.

Properly organized, this is also a colossal force.

I think that our army is definitely motivated, I don't see any problems here.

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But earlier... You see, it's like in the first weeks of the Great Patriotic War, when we thought that this was fraternal Germany, the working class, it will now raise its fist against imperialism, and everything will be over.

It seemed the same:

that there are some brothers, sisters and so on.

So neither in Donetsk nor in Lugansk do they think anymore.

They no longer consider them brothers.

Those have always considered us an enemy, but we still considered them brothers.

Now this has all stopped.

— Our perception of people from Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kaluga, Nizhny Novgorod.

After all, it is also a “fraternal people”.

Is it changing?

Should

— You know, an unpleasant moment for the people of Donetsk and Lugansk was, of course, this shameful flight of these five hundredth so-called deviationists to Georgia, Kazakhstan.

If we had any other discussions on this topic, we figured out why these people were fleeing, found some reasonable explanations for them, but for Donetsk and Luhansk residents it all looked disgusting.

And many of my comrades (and in a sense I already consider myself from Donetsk) - they all told me that we are Russians, and here we are Russians.

It’s a strange watershed, but I’ve never said this before, I want to tell you: they, unfortunately, consider us Russians and don’t put a good meaning into it.

They believe that among us there is a lot of such bleeding, a lot of betrayal and betrayal.

They cannot understand why we have salutes here, hold fireworks, all sorts of holidays and so on, that everything is as usual here, and they are already Russia.

Moreover, they proved with their blood that they are Russia, and they see this difference.

As long as we have a rear, we are all here - Moscow, St. Petersburg and so on - we will live a life different from the one that our compatriots live next to the enemy, not realizing that this is actually such an existential choice.

Because if we don't win, we'll just cease to exist.

We are simply crushed.

I can say that, of course, gives me optimism.

My meetings, which I now hold with the defense industry.

I see that the men have harnessed themselves to the fullest and that now we must hold out for the winter, stand still, and then in the spring we will have modern high-precision weapons in large volumes.

And I will try to convey this degree of support to the guys, and now, in a few days, I am returning again.

And I'll tell them that not everyone here is Russian, there are Russians too.

– Do you think it’s more realistic to make this difference stop being felt there, or will it work out more likely here?

So that the rear begins to understand what is really happening and how, or that everything calms down in Donetsk and they begin to live like in St. Petersburg and Moscow?

“It won't happen any time soon.

You see, in order for water to come, normal life to come, and, most importantly, shelling to stop, you need to throw the enemy at a distance greater than the range of MLRS or, say, long-range artillery, and so on.

There is a lot of hard work ahead, a lot of bloody work.

So to say that it will happen soon... No, it won't happen soon.

Moreover, most likely, you just need to understand that we are really not fighting against the 40 million of this Ukraine, where almost all Russian activists are trampled, they are shot, killed, and imprisoned.

Repressions all these past few years were carried out purposefully.

Everything that is ours was destroyed, intimidated.

This does not mean that all enemies are on the other side.

Of course, there is a colossal number of people who are our people.

But they are all terrorized.

There is a lot of propaganda out there.

In Donetsk, I turned on the TV a couple of times, there are Ukrainian channels.

Can you imagine what's going on there?

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And quite a few years will pass after our victory, when we will be able to ensure the complete loyalty of this population, which is propagandized against us.

It must be borne in mind that this is the most important factor.

Denazification is not the physical extermination of fascists.

Denazification is a long process of restoring this huge space, which today is called Ukraine, but in fact anti-Russia.

This must be done by Russia.

- We have recently in the information space there is such a thing as negotiations.

What do you think, if these negotiations suddenly take place, what will they be negotiations about?

How do the very Russians you spoke about in Donetsk, Luhansk look at talks about negotiations?

- They tense up with every message about some kind of negotiations.

Because there have already been many of these negotiations, how did they end?

The so-called regroupings of our armed forces.

This is bad news.

I'll tell you this: I think (because, perhaps, I'm just more there now than here), for me the negotiations can be about only one thing - about the form of surrender.

This means that the other side considers all our statements about negotiations, not to mention attempts to conduct them, as a demonstration of our weakness.

Never show your own weakness.

Therefore, maybe some of our oligarchs would like to quickly sweep the whole thing and save their ass and their capital here and there.

Because there is nothing to feed the kids, who are still in London.

But I want to say that this is 0.001% of our population.

Our entire country should perfectly understand that some kind of reconciliation at this level with such a more powerful enemy (and the enemy is more powerful than us, you just have to admit) - it will lead to the degradation of our country.

Therefore, we blood from the nose must achieve significant military results.

After that, there may be some temporary certain actions.

But, I say again, victory will only come when we physically destroy this threat to the entire existence of our country.

I am here, however, not at all a turbo-patriot, not a cheer-patriot, I'm just telling you what I know well.

What I understood there, what I studied here.

Either we or they.

There is no other option here.

You have to be very humble and dignified.

And, most importantly, all efforts should be devoted to saturating the front with ammunition, modern communications, since it is different.

Accordingly, the interfaces between all means of communication, means of electronic warfare, means of reconnaissance, and not for 5 km, as they give us, but for the entire depth of the use of our high-precision weapons.

This is what needs to be done now.

But victory will be ours.

- Victory, of course, will be ours, that's for sure.

Or we won't.

See the full interview on the RTD website.