[Politics Show] Geum Tae-seop "Is Lee Sang-min pushed and fired? The earliest time is when you think you are late"

- Lee Sang-min accompanied by condolences, misunderstanding

- Preemptive responsibility is important, not lawyer's point of view - Shifting responsibility

to the police?

It 's not a prosecutor's office

- In the eyes of the people, the president and the police are all government

- Pointing fingers at the front line, reminds me of the dissolution of the Coast Guard

- Response issues, not negligence, need to be investigated

- Inspection is wrong, but it's not the time to talk now

- ruling party ' no

Don't fight?'

Rather, encourage political strife

- Discipline members of the Democratic Party's 'removal rally'

■ Broadcast: SBS Kim Tae-hyun's political show (FM 103.5 MHz 7:00 ~ 9:00)

■ Date: November 7, 2022 (Mon)

■ Progress: Attorney Kim Tae -hyun

■ Appearance: Former Member of Parliament Geum Tae-seop

▷ Kim Tae-hyun: Balanced Current Affairs Part 2 of Kim Tae-hyun's political show is an inner-view time to listen to the deep story in the news.

The national mourning period for the Itaewon disaster is over today, over the weekend.

In the end, there will be a full-scale battle of responsibility.

In particular, as the Security Council is open today, Mayor Oh Se-hoon, Minister of Public Administration and Security Lee Sang-min, and National Police Commissioner Yoon Hee-geun are all in attendance.

In this situation, how will President Yoon manage this accident, and will he fire or keep Minister Lee Sang-min?

I'm going to talk about whether or not you're going to fire Prime Minister Han Deok-soo or something like this today.

Former lawmaker Geum Tae-seop.

hello.

▶Geum Tae-seop: Hello.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: First of all, Senator, the President paid a condolences to the Joint Incense Office for 6 days.

Then, we went to all religious ceremonies and had a time of remembrance.

It's an unusual sight that I've never seen before, but whenever I go to mourning, I usually go with the Minister of Public Administration and Security Lee Sang-min.

How do you evaluate President Lee's movements and messages in general?

▶Keum Tae-seop: Not only what the president says, but where he goes and who he goes with is all a message.

In fact, it is not a natural disaster, but when an incident where more than 150 citizens lost their lives, the people naturally feel angry and anxious.

Then, the government should take an active role, especially the president, who is the head of the government, to actively apologize and then find out the cause, prevent a recurrence, and show an attitude of taking responsibility. isn't it

Especially in the beginning, if Minister of Public Administration and Security Lee Sang-min had sent more police and firefighters, it would have made no difference. do.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Wasn't he given an indulgence or something?

▶Geum Tae-seop: It gives you that kind of feeling.

Of course, there is no other meaning in the presidential office, and they went together because they were the chief minister.

By the way, it is very unusual for the president to pay condolences for six consecutive days, but it is also unusual for the Minister of Public Administration and Security to accompany him three times.

Then people will naturally wonder why this is the case there.

If the government had known about that in advance, they should have been more proactive in taking responsibility, but I think it was an action that could lead to misunderstandings.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: How do you rate the prayers that commemorated for 6 days in a row and had a time of remembrance at religious events?

▶Geum Tae-seop: I think it was a very late apology.

I am very sorry for such a tragedy that lost the lives of the citizens from the beginning, I will make sure that this does not happen again.

Then, in fact, if there is a need for rectification or clarification of the cause, the Minister of Public Administration and Security will not dwell on my seat. you will see

▷Kim Tae-hyun: So, you have to start with an apology or take responsibility.

▶Geum Tae-seop: You have to do it first.

Of course, didn't you say that it is the responsibility of the state and that the president has unlimited responsibility?

▷Kim Tae-hyun: In the end, the key now is the issue of where the Minister of Public Administration and Security Lee Sang-min lives.

From what he said in the presidential office on the 2nd, we will closely monitor and monitor the progress of the investigation to see who did what and how much.

Political responsibility is also judged on the basis of facts after the facts are confirmed.

▶Geum Tae-seop: Of course, if we go down in detail, we have to see whether the police responded properly and what caused the festival situation.

But from a general point of view, of course, if this happens, it is the government's responsibility.

One of the things that the Park Geun-hye government mistreated during the Sewol ferry disaster was that the captain did a murderous act when the president came forward and said what he said during the press conference.

That's not wrong, but when the government or the president starts to point a finger at other people, it seems like an excuse or shifting the blame.

It's unconditionally our fault, there really shouldn't have been anything like this, but after saying sorry and trying to fix things internally, now, for example, if there was another cause or the police couldn't be dispatched because the reporting system was not working, then the government is not responsible. is there no

The truth is, anyway, even if the police responded incorrectly, from the perspective of the people, the police are the government, the president is the government, and the Minister of the Interior and Safety is the government.

Then the president and the Minister of Public Administration and Security should apologize and start a thorough inspection and investigation.

It's a political thing, and it should reassure the people and comfort the people's wounds, but isn't it a bit in the wrong direction?

It is regrettable that the conservative government may not have properly learned a lesson from the Sewol ferry disaster.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: If you were a high-ranking official in the presidential office, what would you say if you were the only president?

President, Minister Lee Sang-min, would you like this, or hold on for a while would you like this?

▶Keum Tae-seop: Apart from organizing who specifically what, you should have apologized and acknowledged responsibility at the beginning, and then, rather than saying that the president will step out and fire the minister, the chief minister is my responsibility. I don't care, that statement should have come out.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Then, Minister Lee Sang-min must decide for himself. Do you see it this way?

▶Geum Tae-seop: Could it have been that Minister Lee Sang-min could have stopped the wrong time now?

That's exactly what happened during the Sewol ferry disaster, how does the president stop it?

Then to me, for example, the people in the current government could have prevented this if you were the Minister of the Interior and Safety.

This is a lawyer's point of view.

It's up to you whether you're innocent or guilty.

If 150 citizens lost their lives on the streets without natural disaster, the government is responsible.

The Minister of State is responsible.

If there is a gun accident in Ilsan, the division commander is responsible.

And I always take responsibility from the top, and I have to give encouragement and do this to those who have suffered in the field, but now I’m talking about trying to figure out the responsibilities in the actual work below, but I don’t see them taking responsibility from above.

So people are angry.

Even if police officers and firefighters were mobilized, it would still be the same, wouldn't it?

Are you saying there's no other way?

Whoever becomes the minister?

It is very bad to be in such a state of mind.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Then what do you think?

It's a bit harsh to say that President Yoon Seok-yeol cleans up Minister Lee Sang-min or Police Commissioner Yoon Hee-geun, but do you think he'll be sacked or something like that?

▶Geum Tae-seop: Specifically, I think about it a lot right now, but even if it's a sack or something like that, wouldn't it look like it's being pushed back if it's sacked now?

▷Kim Tae-hyun: What if I do it now?

▶Keum Tae-seop: I said that I was going to find out the responsibility, but if I am fired now, after investigating, the Minister of Public Administration and Security is not acknowledging that he is responsible.

It is necessary to proactively and proactively acknowledge the government's responsibility one step more than people expect, and to set the course for the people involved.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Minister Lee Sang-min is attending the Security Council today.

So, last weekend, the reporters just asked, the problem of whereabouts.

Then, overall, they said that they would attend the National Security Council and tell them. What do you think?

Would you like to attend the National Security Council today and talk a little bit about your whereabouts?

▶Geum Tae-seop: That's what I don't know.

But if you don't reveal it in advance, the opposition party will question whether you are responsible or not, and the minister will be a group that makes excuses that I have not been able to respond because of various circumstances.

So, you have to say you will take responsibility at the beginning and then go to the cause of a constructive discussion to have a constructive discussion.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: What about Prime Minister Han Deok-soo?

In the opposition, even Prime Minister Han Deok-soo should be fired.

Minister Lee Sang-min is to be removed from office, and the opposition demands.

▶Geum Tae-seop: It is true that the government is not responding well, but even talking to the Prime Minister about this is 6 months after the Yoon Seok-yeol government was inaugurated.

However, people are not satisfied right now in various crises such as international relations and the economy.

Approval ratings fluctuate, but now over 60% of people have negative reviews.

Here, I have to show the appearance of starting anew by changing the entire board, and in that sense, I think that a total reorganization or a personal reorganization can be considered.

But now that the opposition party cut off the Minister of Public Administration and Security and the Prime Minister over one of the Itaewon disasters, it doesn't seem to make a good impression on the people.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Are you saying that the resignation of the cabinet is also a rather controversial argument?

▶Geum Tae-seop: So, with this incident as an opportunity, and since there have been many problems up until now, let's start anew. It should be with this purpose, and now the prime minister made several mistakes during the press conference, to a foreign correspondent.

That being said, rather than continuing to impose such responsibilities, I would like to suggest that the prime minister take responsibility and go through a new reorganization procedure.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Former floor leader Kim Ki-hyun, but this time he is a party leader.

I talked about the Democrats saying that we need to get rid of the evil DNA that tries to exploit the accident politically.

So, on the people's side, the Democratic Party uses the Itaewon tragedy tragedy as a political struggle, and the politicization of the disaster. What do you think of this argument?

▶Geum Tae-seop: Even the same words have different meanings depending on who says them.

Now that a disaster like this has happened, what would it look like if the ruling party leader was swearing at the opposition party?

▷Kim Taehyung: That's right.

▶Geum Tae-seop: Now, during the last government, the police couldn't investigate because they did a thorough inspection. I keep saying this all the time, but regardless of the liberals or conservatives, if something unfortunate or an accident occurs in the early days of the regime, it keeps putting off responsibility during the last government.

Even if you don't explain it, people will know.

Then, when the opposition party shows up trying to fight, the people also get angry, but the government isn't talking about it, it's our responsibility.

For example, Rep. Kim Ki-hyeon should not argue with the opposition, then the Democratic Party will understand.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: That's right.

▶Geum Tae-seop: We are going to protest again and continue to escalate the political conflict.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: I see.

You are now with former lawmaker Geum Tae-seop.

3841, Senator, you are right.

▶Geum Tae-seop: Thank you.

▷Kim Taehyun: Let's talk about the police.

There are criticisms about whether or not the front-line police are being blamed now, but looking at the media reports of investigations and inspection results, it seems that things that cannot be understood are happening now, especially around the Yongsan Police Station.

It's too late to see, and the chief eats, gets in the car, wanders around and walks with his back.

There, the head of the intelligence department deleted the phrase “security personnel needed” from the report that the intelligence officer initially called for additional security personnel.

Due to the incident, the entire report was deleted.

Why do these things happen?

▶Geum Tae-seop: So, the cause is also a problem, but people do not understand the general police response.

So, I said earlier that responsibility should be taken from above, but in order to prevent this from happening again, we must fundamentally look at the police response now.

In that sense, the government is constantly inspecting and investigating whether it is negligence or neglect of duty, but I think the National Assembly should conduct a state investigation.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Oh, right?

▶Geum Tae-seop: Because if you do a criminal investigation, you are constantly arguing over legal matters like neglect of duty or abuse of power.

But, for example, why the police force was not deployed to Itaewon, where more than 100,000 people are expected to gather, is not a matter of negligence or abuse of power.

There are criticisms about how the police force should be operated and there is no organizer right now, but when there is no organizer, how should we respond when a large crowd gathers? It is something that the National Assembly should do, and the National Assembly should conduct a state investigation.

The ruling party keeps talking about overhaul and the prosecution needs to investigate, but I think a state investigation is necessary to properly look into that.

Also, if an investigation is carried out, criminal responsibility will follow from then on, so the police officers involved have no choice but to make changes.

I did my best and I am not illegal.

However, rather than the process of taking responsibility, we need to investigate the cause of this problem and establish a preventive measure to prevent it from happening again.

From our point of view, the overall discipline of the police now is a mess, and it seems that the reporting system to the response system must be overhauled from start to finish.

▷Kim Tae-Hyun: This morning, when I saw a press article, this line came up.

Inside the presidential office, there are voices calling for police discipline to be strengthened in the wake of this tragedy.

A key staff member of the presidential office, who wants to remain anonymous, said on the phone that the political police were the problem, and other high-ranking officials even said that certain political forces leaked out to the president's night movement.

What do you think of this keynote?

▶Keum Tae-seop: As I said before, from the point of view of the people like me, the president is the government, the police are the government, and the presidential office is the government.

If the police didn't do it right and showed a really political police behavior, that would be the responsibility of the entire government.

If the police say something like that in the presidential office, the people are a little stunned.

They are putting off responsibilities among themselves. The government as a whole should be held responsible. Now that the presidential office has no problem, but the police are talking as if there is a problem. When the Sewol Ferry disaster happened, the Park Geun-hye government gave a really shocking remedy, disbanding the Coast Guard. there it is

The people at that time, it's not really the government that's like that. So, is it that only the Coast Guard is responsible? A disaster like this happened.

It's just that I can't get the strands right by the fact that this kind of talk is coming out.

Of course, the police also have to look into and fix all the problems from the beginning, but they have to do the whole thing. This is what it looks like they are shifting responsibility now. It may be like this right now. I'm going.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: You mentioned a state investigation.

Of course, the opposition party will demand an investigation into the state affairs, and I will also ask for the representative of the opposition party, in the current situation.

But if you look at the power of the people, no, you have to do a state investigation now. The state investigation does not have the right to compulsorily investigate. When witnesses come out, I take an oath and cannot answer because it is under investigation. I can't do this, but I'm not going to say why I'm doing it.

▶Geum Tae-seop: Not only the people's power, but also the Democratic Party.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Was it before?

▶Geum Tae-seop: Yes.

This is because the ruling party keeps trying to avoid it, and that's where it comes from.

But rather, I would rather be active in doing this, get beaten up and figure out what will be investigated, and then, if there are any limitations in the method of the state investigation, the role of the National Assembly should be improved and the role of the National Assembly should be increased. don't you?

It's all investigations, isn't it when it's something else?

In other words, 156 people lost their lives because the people gathered for a festival, and I think the National Assembly is giving up its role if it does not conduct a state investigation in such a case.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: But even if the state investigation is conducted, what does the Democratic Party say, it is a cautious approach?

If I make a mistake, will the Democratic Party also use this as a political battle?

These may be criticisms.

▶Geum Tae-seop: The people will decide that.

So, in the power of the people, you can look at what your responsibilities as the ruling party are.

They work hard to do what they can, and although they are members of the ruling party, they are not civil servants of the administration.

As a member of the National Assembly, as a representative of the people, how did the government do this?

Then the people will evaluate it, and if the ruling party gets out of its role and continues to fight, the people will evaluate the opposition.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: There was a candlelight vigil to commemorate the victims of Itaewon over the weekend.

There, the resignation of President Yoon Seok-yeol, 'Resignation is safety.'

It is said that such slogans came out, but what do you think of those movements, civic groups or movements?

▶Keum Tae-seop: I think there are people on both sides who make radical and strong claims that the people cannot empathize with.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Are you talking about the resignation of Yoon Seok-yeol and the arrest of Moon Jae-in?

▶Geum Tae-seop: Does that make sense, it’s only been 6 months now.

It is a very shocking disaster, but it is wrong to link this to resignation itself, and that is a problem that the people can fully judge.

However, it was the same during the Democratic administration and this administration as well, because both sides are constantly splitting up and doing this, so these voices are coming out.

In fact, if such a disaster happened, the ruling party investigated the government as the ruling party did, and why did something like this happen?

▷Kim Tae-hyun: The ruling party?

▶Geum Tae-seop: The ruling party.

Then there will be no place for people who make such extreme and irrational claims.

But as the ruling party continues to evade responsibility, postpone responsibility to the police, and hold on to what I did wrong, these voices lead to the resignation of the president.

At the beginning, the president really apologizes to the people, and the secretary of state will not dwell on the position, as soon as it is taken care of... Well, if you say something like this, the talk of the president's resignation now becomes more difficult to gain strength.

However, it should be done only after the cause is identified, and now is not the time to be fired.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: The Democratic Party is saying this has nothing to do with our party, and some lawmakers seem to agree with each other even though they have individual qualifications,

▶ Geum Tae-seop: The Democratic Party is very wrong, but it is not official, so they refused to participate in this kind of thing. I do.

In my opinion, you should be instructed not to leave the party leadership.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: At all?

▶Geum Tae-seop: If you give an order and go out of this, I will take disciplinary action.

I have also been disciplined, but I think it does a much greater harm to the Democrats than I do.

Going to such an extreme rally and talking about Yoon Seok-yeol's resignation is what drives the majority of people's hearts away from the Democratic Party.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: I see.

Lastly, the president has a plan for a trip to Southeast Asia this time.

It is a very important diplomatic event because there is ASEAN, there is the G20, and there is APEC.

It's a disaster period right now, so it's not yet decided whether to reduce it. There are some reports like this. Is it correct to proceed with this diplomatic event as scheduled, or is it correct to shorten it a little, cancel one and do this?

Because the situation in the country is so bad right now.

▶Keum Tae-seop: I can't tell you precisely because I don't know what the schedule is, but I think it's right for the president to go out and do something if there is something he needs to do because international relations are changing very rapidly.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: I see.

Let me just point this out one last time.

The story of the swordsman came out of nowhere.

This is a problem because the prosecution can't investigate this time because of the lack of inspection.

▶Keum Tae-seop: I think the inspection is very wrong and I think we need to go back to the original state even now, but as I said before, we don’t have to talk about it in the power of the government, but first do everything we have to do, fulfill our responsibilities, and then the people will You have to make yourself feel that this is wrong. It is only counterproductive to keep coming up with the theory of responsibility for the former government and the opposition.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Today, after listening to the words of the lawmaker, this is exactly the point.

The ruling party and the president's office just admit wrongdoing and take responsibility for those who will be held accountable.

Then the people will decide everything on their own, right?

▶Geum Tae-seop: Yes.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: I see.

So far, with former lawmaker Geum Tae-seop, the movement of the ruling and opposition parties related to the Itaewon disaster, and the issue of today's state investigation, have been looked at in general.

Senator, please come again next time.

▶Geum Tae-seop: Yes, I will.

▷Kim Taehyung: Thank you.

▶Geum Tae-seop: Thank you.

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