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● 'Day of Destiny' Ethics Committee disciplinary review today
"Allegations of sexual harassment and destruction of evidence are false.
..don't talk about it because it's
election period" "The informant told me to listen to Kim Cheol-geun because he said he was going to testify falsely"
"The first contact... What's the problem with being contacted?"
"Evidence destruction teacher, you have to look at three steps... "I
can't go beyond a single step"
"I appointed the ethics chairperson... I didn't contact him after the disciplinary process started"
"Kang Yong-seok, aggressive after alleging election fraud"
"Violation of dignity? Infinite spectrum of dignity maintenance"
"What kind of violation of maintaining dignity is determined by the ethics committee You have to present it"
"I just need to go report the police investigation... I hope the police make a decision sooner"
"Lee Jun-seok goes to study abroad, leak to the media...
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: An interview with Lee Jun-seok, representative of People's Power, will start now.
welcome.
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: Hello?
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: How do you feel right now?
Now the media is expressing this as a fateful day.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: The articles that appear regularly are 'Ahn Cheol-soo, this time it has changed' and 'Lee Jun-seok is on the leadership judgement table.'
This is an article that comes out almost every month or two.
That's why I think this is a cliche part, I think.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: This is a cliché part.
▶Lee Jun-seok/People's Power Representative: I have been the party representative for almost a year so far, but every time I go through 'Lee Jun-seok's leadership judgment seat' and 'Lee Jun-seok's fateful day' I have been through too often.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Lee Jun-seok took the test in less than a month after becoming party leader, and I remember seeing this article.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People’s Power: At that time, it is a very absurd situation now, so I came to an agreement with CEO Song Young-gil to decide whether to support 100% or 80% of the disaster aid at that time. Can you come? There was an uproar in the party because of this.
So there is opposition from the party.
But again, once our presidential candidate is elected, he said that he would pay 50 trillion won in one shot.
After all these things, after some time has passed, there are a lot of questions like, 'Why the hell did you do that?'
So, I wonder if this is my destiny, but as an outsider, as the party leader, communication must be a little inconvenient.
There may be some difficulties in communication with the inside.
And there are cases where I start by having doubts about the results that I basically do.
But looking back, I don't think there was anything wrong with my judgment.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: As we talk for a long time today, I think there is ample opportunity to talk about what we just said, because the ethics committee is scheduled for now.
It is probably the first time in history that the leader of the ruling party has been the subject of the ethics committee's ethical disciplinary procedure.
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: That's right.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Then, what our viewers are wondering about is the story that just came out, isn't it?
Aren't there two things: the allegation of sexual harassment and the allegation of instructing the destruction of evidence?
So, is this true or not?
I think there are many requests like this for CEO Lee Jun-seok to clearly tell the story through his own mouth.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: I talked about that right away at the end of last year when the suspicions were first raised.
So I even filed a criminal complaint with the people who raised the allegations.
That's why, even if I talk about it, someone repeats it, tell it again, and if I'm going to talk about it again now, I denied all those allegations and said it was false.
And it's not about the so-called sexual harassment allegations that it's on the ethics list right now, it's not about what I did as a teacher for destroying evidence, and it's a violation of decency.
So, first of all, I have to have a problem with the sexual payment issue, so I'm not going to destroy it?
It is said that I was a teacher to others who did that annihilation, so I have to look at this in one or three stages, but none of them have been passed now.
So, of course, I keep mentioning this because it's an interesting topic when the media sees it.
They asked me why I didn't respond strongly in the beginning, but it was in the midst of the presidential and local elections.
If I continue to speak there, the other party will keep asking about this, and that will not have a positive effect on the election, so I was not saying anything and I had already put everything through legal process, back then.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: So, is it Kim Cheol-geun, the head of political affairs?
He was the one who wrote the memorandum.
Isn't he the one who is helping our CEO Jun-seok Lee from a very close distance?
Then, if that was a problem, I think there would have been enough time for us to check each other out as to why Lee Jun-seok was writing this article even if he didn't become a teacher.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: I heard about Chief Kim Cheol-geun about that, but of course, Kim Cheol-geun will explain himself in the Ethics Committee or in various places.
This is the first thing you see here.
Usually, I told the person who was going to testify, taking Kim Cheol-geun as an example, and told me to go find him and meet him.
I talked about it up to that point, but there are a lot of people who think that there was a memorandum or something like that at that point.
But I'm going to go and this person wants to talk, so listen.
Because he talked to me with the intention that he was very unfair.
So, what I had to tell Chief Kim Cheol-geun to go was what he told me to go and listen to, because the content on the YouTube broadcast was so false that he told me that he would testify.
So I went there to listen to it, and after that, there was a memorandum like this with a gap of 15 days or more.
I didn't even know about it here.
Also during the election process.
So, this is a completely independent thing, but when you start thinking about it, it was there because of this.
We're going to talk like this, but by now the Ethics Committee will know.
If you look at this completely in time, you'll see that it's an event that's close to 15 days apart and has absolutely nothing to do with it.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Wasn't the transcript of the phone call with CEO Jun-Seok Lee, who was designated as the first to expose allegations of sexual harassment, also not released?
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: So, for example, this is it.
People keep asking me, why did you call that person?
But in reverse, this is it.
He contacted me first.
So it's all like that.
It is very different depending on the point of view of the same event.
I heard there was a call, but who called first?
I didn't contact you first.
So, what's wrong with receiving calls from me?
If you look at it that way, a very complicated situation develops.
I don't think it really means much for me to keep talking about this over the radio in Korea, and I just need to tell the investigative agency exactly.
So we are doing it that way.
My opinion is also in the investigation agency.
But the investigative agency sees that and if they summon me, then I just have to be summoned, and I don't think that there is nothing to be summoned.
That's because I've never rejected such a procedure, so you can watch it.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Then I will make this part a little clearer.
Is it true that CEO Lee Jun-seok told me to go and listen to the story after seeing Chief Kim Cheol-geun?
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: Yes, yes.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: But the part I said that was not that the person told me to go because he said that I would expose the allegations of sexual harassment of CEO Lee Jun-seok to the world.
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: Not at all.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: There is a YouTube broadcast that says to expose it, so that’s not true.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: Because the contents are all wrong and he has something to say about it.
So, am I not in the middle of the presidential election then?
I know he lives in Daejeon, but he can't go to and from Daejeon, and I made a personal request to Kim Cheol-geun.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: But why is the time again at 1 am again?
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: It was probably like this back then.
At that time, when I talked, Director Kim Cheol-geun also has a schedule with me now, doesn't he?
Because he's the chief of the political affairs office.
So I have to come and see it when I have spare time, but if that's the case, I think it's probably because I have to come back early in the morning to get back to work.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Whether you support or dislike Lee Jun-seok, the public's view of this situation itself seems to be very uncomfortable.
By the way, isn't it already time for the Ethics Committee to start a disciplinary process?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: At first, in December, I decided not to start this anymore.
But in April, they suddenly said they would start again, and it has been going on for two months.
I do not know.
However, if the ethics committee points out anything to me, I am cooperating.
On the other hand, there are not many other requests for it, to me.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: I told the Ethics Committee first that I would go out again today, but did I tell you not to come?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: Did you say that you don't want to come?
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: I have no intention of calling.
▶Lee Jun-seok/People's Power Representative: I have no intention of getting rich like this.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Did you talk to the ethics chairperson?
Who is the other ethics committee member?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: Our party has an organization in charge of the Secretariat in charge of the Ethics Committee.
In addition, if I do, in the current situation, how cautious I am is the person I appointed as the ethics chairperson.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Yang-Hee Lee, Chairman.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: I know his phone number and I am very close.
But I haven't had a single contact with him since he started the disciplinary process.
I'm afraid I'll be misunderstood later.
I do not communicate with any of the ethics committee members.
That's why, even if it's a very formal issue like the one I mentioned earlier, I just asked him to deliver it to him through the official process.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: But if you look back at this situation quietly, here is former Assemblyman Kang Yong-Seok.
That's right, I exposed this again through a YouTube broadcast.
Should I say that I have a very bad relationship with Lee Joon-seok?
There was also a time when we were close friends, when we first entered politics.
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: I was really close.
I also went to play with the sons of that family, but I think the biggest discourse was when they talked about fraudulent elections.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: The general election two years ago was said to be a fraudulent election, and former lawmaker Yong-Seok Kang also agreed with that argument.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: It wasn't sympathy, it was there.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Did you dismiss it?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: I dismissed it and I went to the discussion because of it, and I said that this is not okay or not, I understand that you are taking a slightly aggressive stance towards me from then on, but I think like this.
I understand everything, but in fact, it is now up on the SBS YouTube channel too, but in fact, they attack me and talk about it in connection with the problem of my own welfare. It seems that there are conflicts due to various derivatives, but as the party leader, of course, I have no choice but to reject such proposals.
I am a person who has to move for a public goal, to win an election.
For example, if I accept such things so as not to bother with many things, I have to put down the representative of the public party and do that.
I don't know why there is such a thing, but now lawyer Yong-seok Kang said that he would be in Barcelona, Spain for a very long time.
I don't know what you're thinking, but it looks like you'll be abroad for a while.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: You will be abroad for a while, what does this mean?
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: I don't know.
I don't know if you're going to go abroad all of a sudden, but it looks like you're abroad.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: This is also former lawmaker Yong-Seok Kang, who is probably listening to CEO Jun-Seok Lee. Do you think there will be a reaction?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: He said he went to broadcast, but he probably liked to travel, so he probably went.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: The evidence will be released at 7pm tonight, didn't the Garosero Research Institute say that?
At the same time as the ethics committee begins.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: I watched the broadcast called Garosero Research Institute these days, and they had conflicts with various people who were like operators, so I saw it separately.
So, I know lawyer Kang Yong-seok well because I had a close relationship, but well.
I'm not sure how long this situation will last.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: That's it.
As a result, it is a question now, but in any case, the power of the people lost the Gyeonggi governor election.
So, there seems to have been some talk within the party saying that unification should have been done at that time, and President Lee Jun-seok clearly said in the election process that there would be no unification story through judgment. Revelations related to the allegation of sexual harassment.
Could it have been related to this?
Also, the content of the phone call at that time was also made public, between CEO Lee Jun-seok and former lawmaker Kang Yong-seok.
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▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: You can see it like this.
In fact, because of the accumulation of such things, it is difficult for lawyer Kang Yong-seok to return to politics or engage in political activities.
Did you not immediately withdraw your claim while exposing the history of calls with the president or such?
So, not only me, but also Rep. Kim Byeong-wook of our party and Rep. Kim Byeong-wook of Pohang right away on various broadcasts, I raised suspicions through various broadcasts, but later the police came out of the accusation, and Rep. Kim Byeong-wook suffered a very unfair thing. I know it was hung with .
Then this repeats itself.
So, while watching these things, many members of the party actually say this is what we are saying.
To be honest, in the Democratic Party, Kim Eo-jun is not actually a member of the Democratic Party, but it is said that he continues to do things that are very beneficial to the Democratic Party, but sometimes we hear that he wants to exert influence within it. Moral hazard occurs when a person's realms begin to mix.
What I want to point out honestly is the final episode or many people who criticize current affairs in various places.
I know all too well how many selfish reviews these people have.
Because I'm probably the only one who hasn't been cut during the 10 years of broadcasting since 2011, probably after the creation of the Korean general programming channel.
I didn't make any controversial remarks when I was speaking, but in fact, if you look inside, many people quit the show for various reasons, and the reason I did this is because they made a lot of politically unreasonable arguments.
So I think those things are quite worrisome.
▷ Young-jin Joo/Anchor: Anyway, then, at least then, CEO Jun-seok Lee will hold the ethics committee this time, and I have already said that this is really false and that I deny it.
Then, CEO Lee Jun-seok thinks that the ethics committee should come to a conclusion of not guilty?
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: This is an ambiguous point.
As for the facts, I keep making the same argument, but in the end, so the ethics committee ends up being a violation of decency because of these things.
However, maintaining dignity literally has an infinite spectrum.
To be precise, the maintenance of dignity means that the party is held responsible for the damage caused by failure to maintain the dignity.
Then, will the damage done to the party come out quantitatively?
For example, has the party's approval ratings declined, or has the party lost some major election, or has the number of party members declined?
So I'm a bit unsure how to answer that.
So it'll probably have to be presented to me by the Ethics Committee.
If you want to punish with that.
There was some actual violation of decency, so it must have caused such a loss to the party.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: And it seems that some people are making this claim again.
It probably happened after CEO Lee Jun-seok took office, but didn't the results come out because he requested a full investigation related to the allegation of real estate speculation?
So, based on this result, didn't CEO Lee Jun-seok say at the time that he would take disciplinary action first, suspend party membership, and confirm the fact that they are not guilty at any time?
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: But this is it.
It was at that time that it was called a recommendation to withdraw from the party.
At that time, however, the Ethics Committee did not do this.
It was a warning given verbally by the highest level.
That's why no one actually left the party at the time.
It's about the political action the Democrats did.
Even the Democrats know that probably very few have left.
That was the level of the party's response to the results of the investigation by the Anti-Corruption and Civil Rights Commission at that time, and because the Ethics Committee did not make a decision through this ethical process, in the end, no one in our party received actual disciplinary action at that time.
So I don't know.
That's too different a matter to compare it to.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: In any case, do you think that the decision of the ethics committee will be a very important turning point in Lee Jun-seok's political life?
▶Lee Jun-seok/People's Power Representative: There were so many, things that could be called a turning point.
Once upon a time, when I was at the Bareunmiraedang, I said to Ahn Cheol-soo at a private party that I would be removed from the party because I called him a bi-eup si-ot.
If you do something like that, that's it.
Oh, it's different, but because of that, I get disciplined because of that, of course I'm right, then I'm sorry because that can be a problem. If there is such a thing as a police investigation called a procedure, you can go and see it.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Let's see the police investigation first?
An ethics committee that can't even verify the facts.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: And to mention the police investigation already, it's been almost 6 months now.
It's been going on since the end of December.
I want the police to come to a conclusion so quickly.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Is there no contact from the police?
When and how far did it go?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: As I said earlier, if all this is to be done, then in order to become a teacher of destruction of evidence, do not you become a teacher only if destruction of evidence is recognized?
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: That’s right.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: But I know that even this stage is not enough.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: It seems that the police investigation is quite slow, right?
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: I don't know.
Even though it was an election period, the police were careful in some parts, but now that the election is over, I hope that a conclusion can be reached quickly.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Reporters are really paying attention to the words of CEO Jun-Seok Lee ahead of the ethics committee today.
He posted another post on social media, but when he said that he was talking about General Hannibal in the first place, no.
He said he was talking about someone else, but who was he writing with in mind?
▶Jun-seok Lee / Representative of People’s Power: After all, the Punic War is a war in which Rome and Carthage fought very violently in the first, second, and third rounds. If you look at the second Punic War, it was then in response to the Carthaginian master named Hannibal 20 Scipio of the Cornelius family, who is about 27 years old in the late teens.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Scipio.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: The general, then, to become a Roman consul, you have to be at least a certain age.
Even though he is not old enough, he leads the army and wins a great victory.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Defeated Master Hannibal.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: So after that, we won the battle we lost every time and now we are treated like a hero, and later, he is called a tyrant because his popularity is rising.
A tyrant has the potential to become a dictator, so a huge political check comes in.
So, he was dismissed, and when he was removed, he had a plan that could damage his reputation, so I went without doing politics anymore.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: There was a saying that cursed words were poured out towards Rome.
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: That's right.
But I think so.
In terms of war, there must have been a lot of things that I would have wished if I had taken my own personal steps while in the big battlefield of the presidential and local elections in the end.
Most representatively, those who want to be very close to the president now do what they usually do during the presidential election.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: It must be seen in front of the presidential candidate.
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▶Lee Jun-seok/People's Power Representative: If the presidential candidate goes to Busan for example, he wants to follow Busan.
But only if you do that, after the campaign is over, the presidential candidate can talk about having dinner together and build a friendly relationship while doing this.
But from the very beginning of the election, I did just that.
I will unconditionally go where the candidate does not go.
Then there will probably be many questions answered during the election period.
Why is Jun-seok Lee in Honam or something like this, and he went around thirteen regions while conducting an election campaign? He went to ten places a day.
It was a consciousness of such a desperate election victory that one had to rake in more votes somehow to win.
The representative will follow you then.
But starting with each of those things, actually, if you take a look at the presidential election and political journey, well, in fact, the way the party pursues public goals and the way they pursue private goals are clearly separated.
I pursued excessively public goals, so after the local elections this time, I decided to do my own politics in front of people and reporters.
But look at it backwards.
If you see me walking around the Honam area from this direction, the candidate has to go to Yeongnam or other places where a lot of major people gather to collect votes, so the candidate walks here and Jun-seok Lee, who is well-known, goes around, but he is weak, but he tries to attack that place by going around a lot. Should be.
If you think like this, this is it.
But instead of that, they try to make it their own politics, and then it becomes their own politics.
In fact, it is a public goal,
In order to win the presidential election, they are attacking vulnerable areas, but if you turn it upside down and think about it in a very twisted way, you will be trying to use Honam as a political base through your own politics.
So it's like this every time.
Now, if you look at the countless stories about me, it's like, 'Lee Jun-seok is a Democrat.'
like this.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Is it Democrat Frakchi?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: If you go to a group chat room with seniors, all the logic comes down to that.
'Lee Jun-seok is the Democratic Party's franchisor.'
So I said, 'Why don't you say hello to President Moon Jae-in at a 90-degree angle and not to President Yoon Seok-yeol at a 90-degree angle?'
It's like this.
I also have a lot of photos where I greeted President Yoon Seok-yeol 90 degrees.
There are many photos of President Moon Jae-in without saying hello 90 degrees.
It's just an excerpt from Democrat Frach.
But I don't know what this Democratic frack is doing, but he leads the election and gives the Democrats the most hated election defeat.
That is why they continue to attack while enduring these countless self-contradictions.
So, now that I'm exhausted from that, I'm like, 'Then I'll just do my own politics.'
What is my own politics?
I'm probably going to go get those party members after summer is over.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Recruitment of party members.
▶Lee Jun-seok / Representative of People's Power: When it comes to recruiting party members, we now have about 800,000 party members.
Now, when I took office as party leader, I had about 220,000 or 230,000 party members, but 800,000 party members, but the Democratic Party has surpassed 1 million party members.
Then, in my sense, we also have to reach 1 million party members to realize party member democracy and fill in the gaps that the younger generation lacks.
But if I collect them, I'll say I've done my own politics again.
So, in the introduction, I say that I am going to do my own politics and just walk around.
Because I have to bury the word my politics in the ground, I say the word my politics with my mouth.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: I’ve heard from CEO Jun-Suk Lee for a long time now, but CEO Jun-Seok Lee is premised on that I will never step down as CEO, so if the Ethics Committee calls CEO Jun-Seok Lee a warning in any form or takes any disciplinary action, As it is difficult to maintain the position of the party leader, I think he is saying now that it will never be the case with some insisting that he should resign and a new party leader should be elected.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: What is it?
Now on to something a little bit like Rainforest.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Ki Woo-je.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: When I asked what was the first article that appeared in the media, Mayor Oh Se-hoon met me and advised me to go to study abroad.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: There was also talk of studying abroad.
▶Jun-seok Lee/CEO of People’s Power: But if I say the other way around, I would rather eat the other way around and people who actually talked to me talk about studying abroad and what I always say when I say, ‘If I’m honest, I need to study more. I don't think.'
So, 'I don't think I should sit at my desk and study more.'
I have a habit of saying, 'I think we should have more practical experience.'
That's why I want to study ochi.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Did you say that you want to gain diplomatic and security experience?
▶Jun-seok Lee/CEO of People's Power: But that's not about where I go to go to graduate school and what I study. I really want to go to any country on behalf of the country, and I want to gain real experience and build networks. 'cause I'm talking
They say things like that, but somehow they turn it on and say, 'I'm going to study abroad.'
I never said anything like that, but things like that are coming out.
They said they came from overseas.
It continues to leak to the press.
That's why I lose my strength.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Is there such a movement as to force CEO Jun-Seok Lee to step down from his seat and have someone else take his seat?
▶Lee Jun-seok/People's Power Representative: So this is it.
For example, to explain exactly how this works, rumors are spreading that 'CEO Jun-seok Lee is going to study abroad after the election'.
Then, as to what would happen in the House of Representatives, one of the House of Representatives said, 'CEO Jun-seok Lee could be like that.'
Then, when I said where I was going, for a while I said, 'Rather than be friends with CEO Lee Jun-seok, I should become friends with the people who will remain in Korea.'
It's going to be like this.
So this is tail-to-tail, go on.
So I understand the intentions of those who spread such things.
I don't know what to say.
It's almost rain-fed, looking at it now.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Then, after listening to the story, the Roman general Scipio I talked about earlier.
Then Scipio was so unfair and angry that he later poured out curses about Rome, but was this the fault of Scipio, or was it the fault of the press or other people who were jealous of Scipio because he was given too much power?
This evaluation can be different, can it be different?
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: I think so.
After Scipio's disappearance, Rome was still able to survive after Scipio's disappearance, as peace was maintained by the Romans, the so-called Pax Romana.
Later, however, even after Scipio was overthrown, a person named Soscipio, a descendant of Scipio, will now lead the Third War.
I think so.
By the way, what is called a political board is a place where general elections are held every two years.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: That’s right.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: That's why I'm a little curious as to what those who are planning something like that are doing because they have serious concerns about the future, that's it.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Are there any politicians who are close to President Yoon Seok-Yeol or President Yoon Seok-Yeol?
▶Lee Jun-seok / Representative of People's Power: President Yoon Seok-yeol does not actually intervene in party affairs.
When I told President Yoon Seok-yeol, in fact, if we were to say that we are the most intense issue within the party, it would usually be a nomination, but have we not experienced local elections when there is such a thing as nomination?
It is important for the president to support state affairs by winning elections, but it is not the impression that it is important who is elected.
That's why I would not have planned and done that in detail with President Yoon, but there will be some who are a little anxious.
During the nomination process this time, the most controversial thing within the party during our local elections was a test.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Qualification test.
▶Lee Jun-seok/People's Power Representative: Less than 60 points and less than 70 points blocked the nomination of proportional representatives in local elections.
But now that I'm here, let me tell you, it took quite a while, it took quite a while.
But this is actually a big change in politics.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: So, didn't all those people give nominations?
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: Excluded.
But when the Democratic Party usually talks about system nominations and our party also talks about system nominations, so far, it's usually just a cutoff rule.
I research the whole thing and start by cutting off the bottom 20%.
However, since the qualification test first appeared in the political arena and qualification restrictions appeared, politicians have a headache.
Actually, the difficulty of this exam was not that high.
Still, it took a lot.
So these things.
When the Innovation Committee says what it is doing now, many people are like, 'Why is he reacting like this?'
There are people who react a little strangely while doing it.
But I think so.
There is no specific decision on what the Innovation Committee will do now.
However, many people who are skeptical of the Innovation Committee seem to be worried about whether such things will follow because they know what many measures have been taken since I was represented in the party. What is wrong with them?
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: I see.
Rep. Lee Jun-seok's innovation committee probably talked about innovating the nomination system, because of that part, 'Lee Jun-seok's term of office is until next year and the general election is the next year, so why is CEO Lee Jun-seok talking about the next general election?', 'Lee Jun-seok' Is there something you said a little while ago in your doubts about what the representative is?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: If you write down the list of those people as they are, they say that you go back and do it in a year.
Then, when the same person says what they say, why do they cause a flat wind wave before the election?
The people should not be deceived by such people.
Such people are cliche.
If you do it one or two years ago, why do you have so many elections left, why do you make waves in the party by touching something like this, and then you go back and say that 5 to 6 months ahead, they say that they will improve the nomination system at least 3 months in advance, just like ordinary parties always do?
The same person asks why they make the flatlands right before the election.
One thought, don't touch me.
Check the list later.
Same.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: President Jun-Seok Lee is the representative of the ruling party and I am the leader of the ruling party.
And in the past year, many things have happened, and it has led to victory in the presidential and local elections, and I am proud of myself in that respect, but I am the party leader, no matter what someone's plot, the ethics committee disciplinary procedure is started for one reason or another, Have you ever told your supporters that you are sorry to the people, how is it?
▶Jun-seok Lee / Representative of People’s Power: In the past, when it was seen that there was a conflict between me and the presidential candidate, for example, or as if there was a so-called Yoon Hak-kwan conflict during the presidential election, I went to the Speaker of the House and continued speaking like this. are you?
Even then, one of the first things I put in there was, 'Everything is my fault'.
Me too, if there is a conflict within the party right now, start with me and Bae Hyun-jin and the top committee member and do something like this, then it's all my fault.
That's clearly what I'm talking about.
But if you look at it now, for example, I'll tell you this.
I don't know if the Ethics Committee actually set the date, but in the first media reports, it was said that the Ethics Committee would be held on June 2nd.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: The day after the local election.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: Then, at least the journalists wouldn't have made up their own words, but didn't someone tell the journalists that the ethics committee was held on June 2nd?
Then, in the mind of the person who said those words, we were counting the local elections on June 1st and the early morning of June 2nd.
Were you trying to tackle the party leader with that as an excuse?
It looks very impure.
Starting with these things, I can of course raise my suspicions within this as well.
However, there are some political points that make you want to be excessive.
The things I mentioned earlier, why do we do this on June 2nd?
If you look again this time, I have a conflict with Vice Chairman Jeong Jin-seok, but if you look at it from within, obviously, I go to Ukraine after consulting with the president and the presidential office and getting cooperation from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and we are going.
These things have no choice but to be viewed as very political, and since I am now the leader of the ruling party, I have a diplomatic schedule at the time, so I can't talk freely, can I?
Actually, this was negotiated with the presidential office.
Can't you talk?
Those who do such anonymous media interviews for that very subtle point can only see me as malicious, that's it.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: CEO Jun-Seok Lee If you listen to what he said today, you will never be able to accept any warnings from the Ethics Committee.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: When a warning comes out, you should hear the reason for it.
For example, like I said before, if the dignity is violated.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Dignity.
Violation of the duty to maintain dignity.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: I don't know if it's coming out bluntly, but they checked the facts while stating the facts.
So, I have something like that, and if I look at it now, there are other things like this.
In some media articles, there are rumors of the establishment of a new party.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: I did not see that article.
▶Lee Jun-seok/People's Power Representative: There is talk in the party that Lee Jun-seok will form a new party.
These are the anonymous interviews that come in for Meg.
Why am I starting a new party?
▷ Young-jin Joo/Anchor: CEO Jun-seok Lee has probably heard this story a lot, but the ethics committee recently opened about CEO Jun-seok Lee and he said something like this, so CEO Jun-seok Lee really contributed a lot to winning the presidential and local elections.
But today, the situation has become like this, thanks to CEO Lee Jun-seok and the self-employed.
He speaks so carelessly and harshly, so even if people want to be with CEO Lee Jun-seok, CEO Lee Jun-seok keeps drawing a line like this and prevents him from approaching it.
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: So that's it.
If you look at the fact that good is good, isn't there something called the grammar of our politics?
In the end, let's go ahead and do this in order of preference and age, don't we have all these things?
I don't deviate too much from that, but decisively, for example, when it comes to my election, I try to give preference to multiple elections as much as possible, and I try to have older people in front of the nomination committee, and this is a principle I accept in my own way.
Regardless of that, when there is a conflict of opinion, I never accept that this person's opinion should be prioritized because he is older, that's it.
It's a culture that needs to go away.
But if you force them to accept it, then well.
For example, isn't it?
Accept experience and experience.
If you were willing to accept your experience and experience, then why would our party have suffered so much after losing four elections in a row?
In the past, wherever we went, we colluded with religious groups to get our haircut in Gwanghwamun and shave our heads like this.
What did you do each time?
Isn't it the way we came to be because we pushed our experience and experience to say that this was the right thing to do?
If so, I think it is time to make the right decision rather than experience and experience.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: CEO Jun-Seok Lee sees a lot of news and you probably have seen a lot of how his story comes out on the news.
By the way, let's take a look at the video for a moment while thinking about how some of the CEO Lee Jun-seok's language corresponds to that story, or who thinks that the story was directed towards me.
We have prepared something for you.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: So the people who support Lee Jun-seok are really outspoken, and they praise that our politics, which we couldn’t see in our politics, should say something like that, but on the other hand, it’s a problem if we talk like that under the water or do it again. Can you politely express that there is?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: For example, if you look at it from such a place, you can see all those words, but it is a rebuttal to someone's actions or remarks.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: A reaction.
▶Jun-seok Lee / Representative of People’s Power: But if you look at it now, for example, ‘If you become Seoul Mayor Ahn Cheol-soo and President Yun Seok-yeol, you have to leave the earth.’ What was the reason for leaving the earth? I should quit and float.”
Because at that time, I was helping Oh Se-hoon, the mayor of Seoul.
However, if Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon is a candidate of our party, and if he unites with Ahn Cheol-soo of the People's Party and loses, then our party is being denied, to the people.
And even after losing that way, if the presidential candidate had to hand it over to the independent candidate Yoon Seok-yeol, who was outside at the time, then our party is now ruined and conservative politics is ruined, so we have to leave the earth. 'If I become President Yoon Seok-yeol, I have to leave the earth.'
If you become our party candidate Yoon Seok-yeol, there is no reason to leave the earth, because our party did it well.
However, each of those things escapes like this and continues to be the target of attacks, and I think this way.
You can attack with such excerpts for saying something like this, and one day you will find out the truth about it, many people.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Do you have any plans to change CEO Jun-Seok Lee's political speech?
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: I think like this.
So, who does this?
People often say, 'If I used the same expression in a more weaker way, I would be able to do it better'.
However, all messages are calculated by calculating them, and this is an example.
Regarding the battlefield protests, there is a saying, 'Isn't it better if I expressed it a little more and preemptively'?
But if you look, I've done it before.
At the time, nobody cared, about this matter.
When he said, 'It is uncivilized in the spectacle of civilization because doing this kind of protest culture in the end causes inconvenience to the greatest number of people', it was only then that it became a special feature in the great book, and this was aroused as a social issue.
Before that, I said it out loud.
'Don't protest like that, don't do that with protests.'
Can't I euphemism?
You're very good at that, do it then.
However, doing so often leaves a lot of political messages buried.
Up to now, there are people who know well about the 4th and 5th term lawmakers in our country, but there are a lot of people who do not remember a single word of what they said.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: And he says a lot of things that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
▶Jun-seok Lee/CEO of People's Power: But it's not because I don't know how to do these things, it's not because I don't know how to solve the problem, and for example, I can talk about Jeon Jang-yeon like this.
I fully understand the meaning of Jeon Jang-yeon, but there must be a much better way than that, so you convince me of these things, right?
There are no articles, this is not an issue, and it doesn't really help solve any problems.
However, as Jeon Jang-yeon took over the subway, hundreds of thousands of citizens commuting to and from work on Seoul Subway Line 4 have been experiencing inconvenience for over a year now.
However, if politics ignores such things and just goes to low-key politics, I see no end.
Look at the Moon Jae-in government.
How can North Korea's attempt to persuade North Korea without saying a word that offends them actually appear as submissive diplomacy from our conservative point of view?
So, what I have to say is that there is a point in time and I am probably very surprised by that in Yeouido.
When you say, 'No, how can you say such a thing,' you have to say what you need to say.
▷ Young-jin Joo / Anchor: CEO Jun-seok Lee in our society may be criticized for not having empathy for people who are powerless and in more difficult situations, but he said that.
I think it definitely needs to be done.
Enlarging an image
▶Lee Jun-seok / Representative of People's Power: Before I entered politics, the reason why I was picked up by President Park Geun-hye was that I was selected because I was so good at running an educational volunteer group for low-income middle school students called people who shared learning for almost 7 or 6 years. It's going to be in politics.
That's why I really hate volunteer work like that.
I am the most accomplished person in that field.
That's why we superficially go to some kind of handicapped protest and we'll solidarize there once. Just because we do something like this, we show a very great sense of solidarity with the people with disabilities there. I am a person who approached the real problem while doing it.
I think that in the future, if the politicians approach anything superficially in that way and pretend that they are just doing things like this, none of the problems will be solved.
If you look for it even now, if you look at Lee Jun-seok's Jeon Jang-yeon discussion, you will not find anyone who has had such a serious discussion about the right to mobility in the Korean political society.
I have to become a working politician, but would it be so difficult for people who go here and there to spread a good image?
Go, smile and listen carefully, then go and cut off contact for a year and a half.
It's so easy that I don't even think about it.
But that has been the political culture so far.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Have you ever seen Lee Jun-seok after former President Park Geun-hye was pardoned?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: There is nothing other than a brief greeting at the inauguration ceremony.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Go to your sister-in-law once and say hello.
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: If the opportunity arises, I am willing to do so.
Because I am always grateful for President Park Geun-hye, I am fully willing to do so.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Do you have any intention of suggesting the issue of amnesty from former President Lee Myung-bak to the president?
▶Lee Jun-seok/CEO of People's Power: I think publicly, in the case of President Lee Myung-bak, since he is already quite old now, we should think about it until the extent of the suspension of the execution of the sentence.
Amnesty is a political decision made against President Lee Myung-bak, but suspension of execution is of course such a measure that elderly prisoners can demand and we can look into.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: The start of the ethics committee is now about three hours away.
To our viewers, you appeared today in this kind of situation, but let me briefly tell you one last thing.
▶Lee Jun-seok / People's Power Representative: I feel that there are many things that need to be changed in Korean politics after doing this for about a year as party representative.
But I don't think I'm going in the right direction.
On the contrary, it is more difficult to agree that the direction that has been up until now is correct.
That's why there is a process of trying to change that, and in fact, I didn't want to be conceited that I won the election twice.
Therefore, even before the election, even if we win, we have to innovate and innovate more, so we prepared this innovation committee. I did it because I wanted to hear that I changed the world while still in politics, rather than politics where I was elected and enjoyed an honorary throne, and I want to do it while I am given the opportunity.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: I see.
It was an interview with Lee Jun-seok, the representative of Power of the People.
I heard you well today.
※ For details, you can check the video.
(SBS Digital News Bureau)