Ha Tae-kyung, "The battlefield controversy… It's not a split, it's a healthy debate"

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-kyung - Moon-

Meeting Yoon, there is no agreement…

Conflict will continue

- There are lessons to be learned from President-elect Yoon and President Moon

- Small fights are for subordinates - Leisure

department is the feminist executive department

- Leisure department will be abolished, function should be

preserved - Jeonjangyeon protests Controversy within the party, political clash of new and old generations

- Lee Jun-seok remarks , It's not about the handicapped - The

high negative evaluation of the state is rather about the weak

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Kim Tae-hyun's political show invitation 'We are kanbu' Today's hot kanbu was Ha Tae-ha-tae, Rep. Ha Tae-kyung, the People's Power.

Hello.

▶Ha Tae-kyung: Nice to meet you.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: The text is already exploding.

Lee Soo-yeon: “Hello, Assemblyman Ha Tae-kyung.

Nice to meet you."

Jangjang TV said, “Welcome to Ha Tae Ha Tae”.

Always Smile, isn't this the most important letter?

“Ha Tae-ha-tae, this is Busan, Busan Oba.”

A little more detail Are you here in Busan, Busan, and Haeundae?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: Armor.

▷Kim Tae-hyeon: If you wear gloves, you are more local, but anyway, a lot of fans came to see Assemblyman Ha Tae-Ha-Tae Ha Tae-Kyung.

A lot of things happened to us yesterday.

The most important thing is the conversation between President Moon Jae-in and President-elect Yoon Seok-yeol.

Looking at yesterday, it seems that we are talking about 2 hours and 51 minutes, and 2 hours and 36 minutes during dinner time.

How did you see it?

Overall, what would you say is the biggest harvest of the two of you?

▶ Tae-Kyung Ha: Anyway, the atmosphere is harmonious between current and former positions.

What the people are worried about are the two people who represent our country at this point.

When the elected president and the incumbent president clash, there is no choice but to worry a lot.

North Korea is just firing missiles.

So I took that worry away.

In fact, from the perspective of the president and the country, the stability of the people's mind, psychology, and consideration is very important.

So, even if nothing is actually agreed upon, the people will say, “Ah, our two leaders understand the people’s feelings well.”

I don't think this is the biggest achievement.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: It's nice to see you.

Don't fight, like this.

▶Ha Tae-kyung: We should have met earlier, so President Moon Jae-in talked about that last time, let's meet without conditions.

However, I think the message is a mixture of two things, but asking for an unconditional meeting is one thing that shows that President Moon is ready to listen to and accept the president-elect's story in a broader context. After this, you don't listen to the people below you, and then you start arguing again.

So, the current situation is a mixture of two things. President Moon Jae-in wants to reap the beauty of the dynasty and show a good image of the president, but there are aspects of his aides who have to run for office, have to stand out a little, and stand out in this way. .

Then, unless the president himself announces the message, it comes down and becomes corrupted.

Then, at the end of my term of office, will the president rebuke me for doing something like this?

Also, the president seems to have a lot of respect for the stories of the aides below.

So it seems that such a polluted message came out, and if you look at yesterday's meeting, there is something to learn from President Moon, our elected president.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: What is it?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: Anyway, you ran for president twice and ran politics for over 10 years.

And because he was in politics at the apex, the good things are done by himself, and the people below do the things that harmonize and unite, build each other up and fight.

I mean, this is the way it is now.

So, the fact that the agreement was not announced is that there is a difference of opinion in terms of practicality.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Do there really exist differences of opinion?

▶ Taekyung Ha: Because it actually exists.

If it doesn't exist, it can't be announced.

Then the president isn't actually showing his condolences, I've been so considerate of him.

However, in practice, we cannot reach an agreement, so please discuss it later.

Then there will probably be another conflict.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: So it was good to meet some people yesterday, but when I saw the announcement of the elected Chief of Staff Jang Je-won, we talked about it all, but we decided to discuss it in detail.

The personnel issue was also discussed between me and Chief Lee Cheol-hee.

For example, even in the case of relocating the Yongsan office, the extent to which we will cooperate is over, and there is no specific talk.

▶Taekyung Ha: So, not everything will collide.

At least 50% of each will cooperate and some will have to be erected, but I don't think the Yongsan office will have a big conflict.

Only the budget issue remains.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: So anyway, in general, from the perspective of Rep. Tae-kyung Ha, there seems to be a difference of opinion when it comes to practical work.

By the way, the president is showing the form of consultation and reconciling differences in the working-level line, is this the purpose?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: That's it.

So, the pardon story is actually something I am very worried about as a president. Is historical evaluation important or should I be concerned about the approval rating at that time?

However, since it is a democratic society and everything is transparent, if the approval rating is not guaranteed to a certain extent, a lame duck can come even at the beginning of the term, if the approval rating drops sharply.

So, the approval rating should always be managed.

Then we can't ignore the sentiments and interests of the real people.

So even from President Moon's point of view right now, I don't think we can unconditionally ignore the situation under which we have to keep fighting ahead of the election.

So, in an eclectic way, we agree on a big stem yesterday and fight again, and if it doesn't work out, we can meet once again, with the elected president.

So, it seems to be showing a role as a problem solver as well.

▷Kim Taehyung: I see.

I think we should talk about the Oval Office, but yesterday President Moon Jae-in expressed his will, saying that he would closely monitor and cooperate.

By the way, the cabinet meeting is going to be held today, and it has yet to be decided whether the reserve fund will be presented at the cabinet meeting.

In this case, President Moon Jae-in said he would cooperate, but there was already a little more than a month left.

Isn't it physically difficult for the Yongsan era to start on May 10th?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: First of all, it starts politically, because the Blue House is newly built.

So the era of the opening of the Blue House is beginning, and the use of the Yongsan office by the president himself may be delayed a bit.

But the most important thing right now is that you will come out of the Blue House.

So I will be closer to the people.

So, I think I will try to keep the promise to open the Blue House on May 10 as much as possible.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Then, realistically, you will have no choice but to work in Tongui-dong, but you worry a lot about that.

There is no bunker in Tongui-dong, and North Korea fires missiles every day as it is now, and may fire one more time on North Korea's Day of the Sun on April 15. What should I do if something like this happens in the future?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: I can understand such concerns, but if it is such a concern, then there is no need to take over.

The elected president did not take office formally, but he is the actual president.

But even now, you work in Tongui-dong, where you receive your business report.

So I think it's too much to argue with that thing in Tongui-dong for a short period of time.

Not that I'm going to stay there.

▷Kim Tae-Hyun: Even so, there are so many urgent issues with national security.

You are a member of the National Defense Commission.

A few days ago, on the weekend news, there was talk of a bus, too, when traveling.

▶Ha Tae-kyung: Mobile command post?

▷Kim Tae-hyun: I'm going to use a minibus like a command system, but isn't there actually a vacancy in the time to get on the minibus to the bunker? What do you think of these concerns?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: That's what President Moon Jae-in is doing right now.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Is it?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: Because I shot it in North Korea while I was in the countryside.

Then you can't teleport directly to the bunker.

So the bus always follows.

So I use that bus during that time while going to the Blue House bunker.

We're using it for a while, and now the policy of our transition committee is to use the bunker of the Ministry of National Defense as a bunker of the Blue House, so there is 20-30 minutes from Tongui-dong to the bunker of the Ministry of National Defense.

There should be no gaps of 20-30 minutes.

I'm going to use that bus for this purpose, because all the burn facilities are in place.

▷Kim Taehyung: I see.

This talk ends here.

This may be a sensitive topic, but the abolition of the Ministry of Leisure was actually a promise made by President-elect Yoon Seok-yeol during the presidential election, and it seems that he is going according to his promise from what he was talking about in the transition committee a while ago.

Then the government reorganization will begin in earnest, but since the work report is over today, the abolition of the Ministry of Leisure is a fact. Can we expect this?

 ▶ Taekyung Ha: That's right.

It was reconfirmed that the will of the elected candidate was firm.

So, I think the leisure department problem can be viewed like this.

It was an executive department for feminism, as the Ministry of Leisure and Leisure declared itself, it is an executive department for feminism.

It is relatively more favorable, but in an era when men and women were being discriminated against, it could be justified to give more preference and preferential treatment to women.

But now, in the 2030s, men and women are not discriminated against each other.

Then, giving preference to women in such a situation would inevitably intensify and cause gender conflict.

That's what the Moon Jae-in administration lasted for 5 years, so the 2030s' dissatisfaction exploded. Also, from the women's side, I went up to my own level, became a judge, and appointed a company manager and executive.

I'm sorry.

On the contrary, even among women, if you look at the results now, more women enter the exam.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: There are cases like that.

▶ Taekyung Ha: It's like that these days.

There are more women at the top of our party too.

As the times have changed, the existence of such departments that give more preference and preferential treatment only to women is about to disappear.

There are several functions of the leisure department.

For example, women's safety and then the Ministry of Public Administration and Security.

Women's Welfare, Ministry of Welfare.

And the dumpling woman is the Ministry of Labor.

Actually, the ministry is more professional.

Do better, work.

The leisure department just knows.

And there's really no enforcement power.

So, if you go to a department that does a better job, women's rights and interests will be further enhanced.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Does the function remain?

▶ Taekyung Ha: The function remains the same.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: But if you do this abolition of the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family, there is something that gives you the feeling that you are treating women a little bit.

▶Ha Tae-kyung: Giving such a perception is the problem.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: So, in fact, at the end of the presidential election, there was a phenomenon in which women voters in their 2030s strongly gathered toward candidate Lee Jae-myung, who is the opponent from the point of view of the people's power.

So, what do you think about the opinions of some that abolishing the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family immediately at the transition committee would not be easy if there was opposition from the Democratic Party and that it might not be of much help in the local elections?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: In that part, we need to clear up some misunderstandings.

For example, there is the problem of dumplings.

The problem of female workers is all in the provinces, and it goes down to the provinces anyway.

I have to go down to town.

The leisure department has no blood vessels, below.

There are no capillaries, and even the Ministry of Labor has labor offices in each province.

So the execution function is much better.

Therefore, going to the Ministry of Labor is more effective in solving the problem of dumplings and solving the problem at the base level.

If you are only talking about your leisure time, you will not get any real work.

And the budget is not properly executed.

So, it is necessary to actively promote these areas.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: We need to actively promote it, I understand.

Regarding the protests on the way to work for the disabled.

▶Ha Tae-kyung: It's a hot issue.

 ▷Kim Tae-hyun: It's a hot topic right now.

Actually, it has been a long time since Jeon Jang-yeon's subway protest, but as the People's Power CEO Lee Jun-seok keeps posting articles pointing out this on social media, the issue seems to have grown into a nationwide issue.

How do you think it is appropriate to solve this?

Representative Lee Jun-seok said, "They continue illegal protests from the illiterate point of view that their claims will be implemented only if they cause the greatest number of unhappiness and inconvenience." The transition committee also visited the site this morning to listen to the stories of the disabled, and even within the People's Power leadership, there were various opinions at the undisclosed Supreme Committee yesterday.

You are very close to CEO Lee Joon-seok.

How do I go about solving this?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: Even within our party, the politics of the old and the new generation clash.

For example, it would not have been easy to bring up the issue of the leisure department if it was not Lee Jun-seok, but a person of a higher generation than Lee Jun-seok.

Even Yoon Seok-yeol, who was elected president, did not approve of the abolition of the leisure department at the beginning of the primary election, but later, a lot of young assistants came in, and after communicating very deeply with the 2030s, I became convinced that this must be done.

▷Kim Taehyun: It was taken out in early January.

▶Taekyung Ha: The political perspective of the new generation is clear that no matter how plausible the purpose is, we should not use the wrong means.

The end cannot justify the means, and allowing this would undermine the rule of law.

So anyway, the most important thing in Korea's identity is the rule of law and the constitution.

It is the rule of law, but for example, the KCTU conducts a lot of illegal protests.

Think of it as your own support group.

So add it.

And even if it's a minority, if you continue to tolerate and tolerate the use of irrational and wrong means anyway, it's not that you can't give other people an exception, it can become a custom.

Then the rule of law will collapse and the national discipline will collapse.

So, I can't easily point out the older generation in this matter, but only the representative Lee Jun-seok generation has no sanctuary, even in this matter.

So I think it's a healthy argument.

We need to have this debate.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: But yesterday, in the case of Supreme Councilor Jo Su-jin, within the People's Power, I pointed out such a problem as to whether it is right to go critically on the problems of the weak, when the people's power is putting forward companionship with the weak.

What do you think about that part?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: So, the weak must obey the law, and not just the strong.

That is why, since the rule of law is the highest principle of our party anyway, under that principle, in some cases, the subway was held for more than an hour and then for more than 100 minutes.

So, isn't this also a weak point for commuting citizens?

Then, if there is solidarity between the underprivileged, groups of people with disabilities will receive more strength and applause, but their wear will decrease even more.

▷Kim Tae-hyeon: This is from a standpoint against President Lee Jun-seok, so the Democratic Party and especially the Justice Party seemed to have said that yesterday, but they are having a split politics.

For example, what do you think about the criticism of dividing people with disabilities and non-disabled people just as they divided 2030 men and women?

▶Taekyung Ha: Then don't the disabled take the subway?

You can't see that as a split.

Among the disabled, there are people who commute by subway to work, and I have seen them several times.

Then it will be inconvenient for people with disabilities who commute to work.

▷Kim Taehyung: I see.

I get a lot of text messages about this part, but there are people who have a negative attitude, saying, “I hope you don’t protest during work hours that cause inconvenience to citizens.” On the other hand, 4651 said, “Is the commute to work more inconvenient than a disability?” You did.

3120 said, “I am also blind.

If I don't do that, I don't listen to the voices of people with disabilities, so I think it's an inevitable decision."

This talk and issue doesn't seem like an issue that will end today, but it will actually continue in the future.

Looking at the prospects for the presidential performance, Realmeter conducted a survey on the 21st and 25th at the request of the Media Herald, and 46% said that the government would do well, and 49.6% said negative.

It is within the margin of error, but the negative evaluation is higher.

It's quite unusual, before taking office, the negative ratings were higher than the positive ones.

Why do you think this phenomenon has occurred?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: I think it was expected to some extent.

So, the elected is the best tool for regime change.

However, the atmosphere at the time of the presidential election was that he was a new political rookie and did not know whether he would manage state affairs stably.

I think that kind of atmosphere is still going on, so I think this level of approval rating will be a good medicine for us.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Rather?

▶Taekyung Ha: Because if you look too high, you can get drunk and make a lot of mistakes in the beginning.

So even now, I am working under a lot of tension, and it seems to help the elected candidates constantly innovate, become more humble, and maintain this attitude.

So, I think the approval rating itself should be used as a good medicine and use it as a stepping stone to do better.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: It is much better to be a medicine than to be arrogant.

▶Taekyung Ha: I think it would be much better to keep it like this.

▷Kim Taehyung: I see.

We've got some time left, so let's go ahead and ask.

This has also become a hot topic these days.

President Moon Jae-in's wife, Kim Jung-sook, asked me to disclose the price of clothes and how she spent it in the administrative court, but she appealed to the Blue House, so it's not possible to actually disclose it.

The Blue House is in the position that this is a national secret and cannot be disclosed. What do you think about this?

▶Ha Tae-kyung: There is a story that President Moon Jae-in told me at the beginning of his term.

For personal use, I will pay with my own money.

▷Kim Taehyung: That's what I said.

▶Ha Tae-kyung: It seems that toothpaste, toothbrush, food, and clothes were included.

So, people will understand that the clothes worn in public service are used for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or public money because it is a protocol.

Then there may be clothes that you use personally other than the ball.

I also ordered this to be disclosed in court, and the bigger problem is that if you turn it over as a presidential document, you won't be able to see it.

However, the purpose of not being able to view the presidential records is because of national security issues.

But what does that have to do with clothes and security?

So, I think that the Blue House itself should not hand over this to the presidential record, and if you look at developed countries, it is a trend to disclose all such small expenses and become transparent.

So we need to follow that good practice.

▷Kim Taehyung: I see.

Today's conversation with Representative Ha Tae-kyung of People's Power will end here.

Senator, thank you for attending today.

▶Ha Tae-kyung: Thank you.

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