Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, 1961. Who was Agrado in the movie 'Todo sobre mi madre' and Estela Reynolds in the series 'La que se avecina' is now presenting at the Rialto Theater in Madrid (from this Wednesday until April 16 ) the play 'The Great Depression', together with

Nuria Roca.

Would you say that Manuela, the woman you play in the show, finds a refuge in giving herself to others instead of living her own life?

I don't think the character lives for others and doesn't live for her.

I think that Manuela has a sublimated love, not genital, towards her best friend.

She is the ugly one of the couple, so to speak.

She wants to imitate her and please her at the same time.

And her friend shows up after eight years because she has taken a bottle of pills and she feels special there.

He feels for once useful to her.


To what extent is this something strange in our days?

What is clear is individualism.

I go to mine and you go to yours.

And bye.

That is the essence of people.

Idealizing ourselves is terrible.

We can no longer say that human beings are good.

In an '80s Summers movie, yes.

Let's see, there are oases, you meet good people, but you also meet a lot of trash.

In fact, social networks are veritable sewers where people deal comfortably with people they don't even know.

For philias and phobias.

Without knowing about you, I hate you and I idealize you, the same as without knowing you at all, I don't like you because I don't like you.


The play premiered a year ago, in the midst of a pandemic.

Did you ever think about not going ahead with the montage?


If you're rich you can throw in the towel, but if you have to pay a mortgage and you have to live and you have to buy a book for a friend when her birthday comes, then no.

The only reality is that you have to work.

You get used to having the capacity at 70% or whatever they tell you.


Has the cultural sector been worse off than others?


Culture always goes wrong.

And look how curious, precisely those who mistreat her the most are always those who say that man does not live by bread alone.

If we connected more with this aspect, another rooster would sing for us.

And it is that the gala dress of a country is the culture.

If you and I are cultivated, we can speak not only of the manifest, but also from another place, from the metaphor.


What do you think of pointing to the cultural sector as oblivious to the most basic problems of the people?


When you have to seek a vote, and we are not going to appoint anyone, obviously you have to get closer to the common people.

And if you tell him that what is important is eating and not culture, they will applaud you and you will get a vote.

But I'm also telling you that during the pandemic, if there had been no Netflix or Amazon or no books or exhibitions, who would have put up with it?

No one.

So we puppeteers or whatever you want to call it, we save a lot of suicides, so to speak.

Focusing on the purely nutritional is treating people from the most animal point of view.


How have you lived these two years?


Well, for several reasons.

First, because I am very calm, so my character is very 'zen'.

I am also very 'military': I get up every day at the same time, I am very orderly, I play sports, I prepare food or I go to eat with a friend, I have my reading or writing hours... With which, no I had a hard time in the pandemic.

In addition, I had an advantage: a small mattress to be able to subsist during that time without working.

And on top of that I was excited and in love at that time.


How do you rate the management of the rulers in a pandemic?

I go with the law.

If they tell me to get vaccinated, I get vaccinated;

if they tell me to wash my hands, I wash them;

if they tell me to put on the mask, I put it on.

I am not interested in entering other places.

I have been doing what they have been telling me and I am not here to complain because first they said one thing and then another.

We don't know if others would have done better, they are speculations.

We know what happened and how we have experienced it and history is made once the events have taken place.

It's like saying: I would have been a dancer.

Well, having enrolled in an academy.


Why do you always return to the theater?

I can live from theater without cinema and without television.

But I couldn't live if the theater was taken away from me.

Not because of my economy, which would obviously collapse, but because I work so that my organs work.

Getting on stage gives me health.

I arrive at a theater, I smell it, and I am happy.

Now, three minutes before I go out, I'd like the world to end, the stage to open up, swallow me up, and the whole world to forget I exist.


Or that Putin dropped an atomic bomb.

Putin doesn't.

Let Putin not indulge himself.

Although it may be that he is so crazy that he thinks that by pressing a button he will not go too.


Anything else?

Theater is a very lively thing.

It is not a film that you record and it stays there, just like when you shot it.

What the theater has is that new things appear every day, as there is that interaction between the public and you, plus your state of mind, plus all the things that are happening to you... It seems the same, but it is not the same.


Would you say the camera is crueler?


I don't think the camera is cruel.

Patriarchy and the gaze of men towards women is cruel.

The camera has no opinion;

men are the ones who set an expiration date.

Men can go bald and fat.

In fact they win in honorability if they get gray hair.

But not women.

If we get old, we are old.

And if we operate, we are old operated.

With which we will always be old.

But it is getting sooner.

I've heard comments from 37-38 year old women that they can't take a close-up anymore.


Is it claiming in this aspect?

I do not claim anything.

At another time she would have been more assertive and would have wanted to change the world.

I don't want to change anything, I'm not going to fight against the tsunami, because there are things that cannot be fought against.

There is a feminist discourse, which is then opposed to other things.

Can you imagine what narcissism is to pretend to change the world?

You have to be firecracker.

And, going back to the beginning, I tell you a very individualistic phrase: save yourself who can.


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