"I assume a desire to break with the neoliberal system"

• Jean-Luc Mélenchon is La France insoumise candidate for the 2022 presidential election.

• The deputy of Bouches-du-Rhône answers our questions on the occasion of the release of his program, “The Future in Common”, this Thursday.

• Jean-Luc Mélenchon ensures that his program "will be applied from the first to the last page" and announces that it will be his last candidacy for the Elysee.

Jean-Luc Mélenchon is stepping up his campaign.

The candidate of France insubordinate to the presidential one presents his program this Thursday.

An updated version of

, already defended in 2017. Ecological planning and nuclear phase-out, Constituent Assembly and “Sixth Republic”, “creation of a state of social emergency”… The rebellious deputy responded to our questions about his proposals for what he says is his last presidential campaign.

Earlier this week, you seized justice after death threats, which also targeted other political figures.

What does that say about the current political atmosphere?

It is first and foremost the consequence of the impunity enjoyed by far-right groups.

They have not been taken seriously by policy makers.

We are living through an unprecedented moment in the life of the country since the Algerian war.

This resurrection in force of the extreme right is not any more only the fact of a few small organized and armed groups.

It finds relays in the presidential campaign, in the media sphere, in public opinion.

Theses reappear, which until then had not been accepted by anyone: the rehabilitation of Pétain, hatred against women or Muslims.

All this hatred can cause a dangerous cut in the French people.

You present this Thursday your project to "turn the page of what we have just experienced".

What do you remember from Emmanuel Macron's five-year term?

He was the president of the rich and of social rampage.

The state should reduce the inequalities created by globalization.

With him, they got worse.

The poor got poorer and the very rich got richer.

Pockets of absolute poverty have been created: 8 million beneficiaries of food aid, 12 million people forced to lower the heating because it costs too much.

Emmanuel Macron has established a society of a new type: things are going very well for some, very badly for others and in the middle, it is "save who can".

This society generates social violence and suffering of which we had no idea.

You propose to assemble a Constituent Assembly to put an end to the Fifth Republic.

Is it your priority?

We must move on to the Sixth Republic.

Under the current regime, the texts of the European Union are still applied and one person at the Elysee Palace decides everything.

This denial of democracy explains the morning indifference of anger towards the policy of a whole part of the socially relegated population.

With the Covid-19 crisis, President Macron pushed the most monarchical aspects of this Constitution to the end.

Example: his health policy decided in the Defense Council where secrecy is essential for the sole purpose of escaping, if necessary, the Court of Justice of the Republic.

Convening a constituent assembly will be a long and complex process.

Are you not afraid that it will swallow up the rest?

Ecological and social reforms will start from day one.

But we need an overhaul of the French people.

The Constitution dates from 1958, do you realize!

The time has come to say: what rights do we recognize in each other?

It's about doing it quietly, in a democratic and peaceful discussion.

The challenge posed is the following: to guarantee the stability of the institutions and the popular intervention in politics, with the citizens' initiative referendum or the recall referendum.

The Constituent Assembly is the heart of our citizen revolution.

You are proposing to phase out nuclear power before 2050… How is this possible when our electricity consumption will greatly increase in the years to come?

The first question to ask is that of the dangerousness of nuclear power.

There was Chernobyl then Fukushima.

We cannot miss it.

A risk is added today: global warming.

The sea water will rise and the rivers will heat up.

Several nuclear power plants are in areas that will be flooded: in Blaye, on the Gironde estuary, or Gravelines, in the North.

There is all the same a nuclear safety authority which watches over ...

She can make recommendations, but she cannot stop a nuclear accident.

The problem is, even though the probability of the risk is low, it's 100% damage when the accident occurs.

So that is the first point that must be discussed: is there, yes or no, a danger with having 56 nuclear reactors scattered throughout the territory, including one upstream from the capital?

How to keep your 100% renewable calendar, when certain techniques are not yet developed?

The Minister of Ecology Barbara Pompili portrays you as a “blackout candidate”…

If she had rational arguments, she would refrain from insulting us.

Our project is realistic.

The nuclear grid itself was developed in a very short time.

We can develop alternative renewable energies.

We often talk about wind power, but there is also solar, luminescent, thermal, tidal turbines.

And then there are the resources, for the moment still very poorly controlled, but that a technological effort would make it possible to treat: the energy of the seas and oceans, which is considerable.

Moreover, is it reasonable to have exponential energy consumption?

We defend energy sobriety and the green rule.

For example, we will put an end to thermal strainers, which affect millions of homes.

These measures are part of a grand scheme of ecological planning.

Your project also provides for the creation of a “state of social emergency”.

What do you propose ?

First, the price freeze on energy and food.

Why a blocking rather than bonuses, as Macron does?

Because you are going to pay the premium.

Castex charges a total of 5 billion euros in public money to protect supplier profits.

This is abnormal.

It is up to their shareholders to pay the shock.

We also defend an increase in the minimum wage, the postponement of the repayment date of loans guaranteed by the State, or the hiring of 300,000 young jobs.

Social reparation will be the driving force behind the economy.

"Bank charges must be limited by law to 200 euros over one year, for all accounts"

You also mention the cap on bank charges ...

These charges are a kind of free-riding of the banks on people.

It is unbearable and it does not correspond to any particular activity of the bank in relation to account management.

Voluntary commitments from banks are not working.

These costs must be limited by law to 200 euros over one year, for all accounts.

What do you propose to fight against the precariousness of young people?

The images of students queuing up to go to the soup kitchen will remain in the collective memory, like those of the 1929 crisis. We will therefore give all students detached from their parents' home an autonomy allowance. of 1,000 euros.

This assistance will be extended to all students in vocational education, from the second to the terminal and the BTS.

This sum will be quickly spent and reinjected into the economy.

How will you finance these measures?

We will put a tax on crisis profiteers.

An exceptional solidarity tax would apply for those who have earned a lot of money.

It is a surcharge for the surplus profits made during the crisis.

For example, the dividends for the year 2020 from the CAC40 represent one million jobs for a year at average income.

We will also present an encrypted version of the project.

But if we put end to end the universal tax for people and companies, that we change the tax scale with 14 brackets ... that is more than enough to finance all the resources on the state budget in functioning.

“Our program will run from the first to the last page.

On everything that is in contradiction with a European treaty, France will ask for the opt out clause ”

Emmanuel Macron has put billions in the economy with the Covid-19 crisis plans or the France 2030 investment plan. Do you welcome these initiatives?

No, because everything was done against common sense.

Nothing was directed and we never asked for the slightest consideration from the companies we supplied.

Results: the 50 or 60 top companies in the country are making huge profits, distributing dividends like never before in their history, while continuing the layoff plans.

This is why I assume a desire to break up.

I'm not hiding it, it's part of our program.

Insubordination is the break with the neoliberal system.

The screw turns on our public services are no longer tenable.

When we get to the bone, it breaks.

The hospital is breaking down, the school too.

How to set up your program, in particular “ecological protectionism” within the framework of the European Union?

It is not possible.

In 2017, we tried to show that there was room for negotiation, with the idea of ​​plan A / plan B. I prefer to say it, I am not a “frexiter”.

But for all that, I will not swallow the whole Eurobeat catechism.

Our program will be applied from the first to the last page.

On everything that is in contradiction with a European treaty, France will ask for the “opt out” clause, as certain States did at one time on European social legislation.

This will cause great confusion, but no one will be able to say to the French "Go away!"

The Germans are defending their interests.

We will stand up for our own, and eventually everyone will get along.

Arnaud Montebourg created controversy with a proposal on immigration.

Can the left talk about this theme?

We can talk about it more calmly than the others, because the policy that has been applied for years is leading to a dead end.

Point number one: let's make people stay at home.

So give up on this stupid right-wing idea of ​​preventing people from transferring funds to their countries of origin.

This aid allows countries to develop.

It is the most effective because it goes directly from one family to another without going through corrupt states.

We could also increase this impact by limiting bank charges.

Then, when people set out, they are treated with dignity.

What else do you want to do?

Who can believe that they are going to be dissuaded from coming?

The idea of ​​cutting emergency medical aid [proposed on the right and the far right] is absurd.

We are currently witnessing a mixture of fantasies maintained by people who make it their business.

Arnaud Montebourg like Fabien Roussel assume to talk about security or immigration, saying they do not want to leave these themes to the right or the extreme right.

Is this a bad strategy?

From themes, we quickly move on to common ideas, you saw that.

We are not here to fight for market share, but to defend our ideas.

Martyring immigrants and Muslims would make the country unlivable.

It's up to us to be smarter to defend the social question.

That's what interests people: how they live, how their children are educated.

“Would a union of the left be credible?

We are not on the same lines.

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What do you think of the Polish plan to build a wall on the border with Belarus in the face of the arrival of migrants?

That a former Soviet bloc country has the idea of ​​building a wall against the freedom to come and go is a shameful regression.

The Polish government has put barbed wire everywhere and deployed troops.

It is an absolute disgrace.

I appeal to all those who shouted because Donald Trump wanted to make a wall with Mexico or those who howled with joy when they saw the Berlin Wall fall.

The first thing we should ask ourselves is how to shelter these people.

We are talking about 2,000 or 3,000 people who want to enter an area [the European Union] which has 450 million people.

Have you definitely abandoned the idea of ​​union of the left?

Would it be credible?

We are not on the same lines.

As we cannot unite at the top, we will do it from the bottom.

This is our strategy: the popular union.

The only one who has moved, it must be admitted, is Yannick Jadot.

He began to correct the Europeanist trajectory of the Greens by speaking of protectionism.

He also works on ecological planning, while he used to treat me as a Jacobin.

Why ?

He clearly sees the limits of the accompanying discourse of liberalism.

This is the very reason we created ourselves.

It still has to draw all the consequences, particularly with regard to the European Union.

This is your third presidential campaign.

Will this be the last?

Wait, I'm not dead yet (laughs).

I will continue to have political action.

The last as a candidate?

As a presidential candidate, yes.

We have already come close to taking over.

We discussed a lot, contrary to what is being said.

No one volunteered.

The young generation of rebellious leaders exists, with its 23 parliamentarians.

It will be a considerable support to govern the country.

Do you think your personal image has deteriorated over the past five years?

I do not believe.

It is the image that results from a hard struggle.

Right now everyone is singing the praises of my previous campaign.

Why didn't you say it back then?

It would have given me morale!

For now, we are meeting our targets.

I am in front of the traditional left [in the polls].

Hope is found in the working-class neighborhoods.

If they get going, we're going to win.

Otherwise, we will be beaten.

It's that simple.

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