Toni Bolaño: «Iván Redondo is a fuse and the fuses are burned»

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• The last hours of Iván Redondo in La Moncloa.

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Barcelona, ​​1960. Journalist, political chronicler, member of the PSC and former advisor to the socialist governments ... His book

(published by Peninsula) is a choral portrait of Iván Redondo and his legend.

What should we know about the origin of Iván Redondo? Family, education, social class ... Humble family but very aware of the value of education. A boy from the provinces who worked on the Kursaal works, in a McDonald's, in a cinema ... He loved the cinema. He sold tickets and popcorn three days a week and was paid 700 euros. He went through the Jesuits. You could see it coming. By Deusto, yes. All the Basques who speak of Iván in the book, and there are those from opposite extremes, say the same about him. "He has a Basque word and is from Deusto." The Jesuit issue is in pragmatism, in the way of working ... But, be careful: Iván arrived in Madrid without a sponsor and without contacts, with one hand in front and the other behind. I understand that he was not a kid with great social skills either. In the book they put the word

several times The word

used by someone who explains that Ivan reads everything, that he is a beast swallowing information. And it has been used by its detractors. But he was not

in the sense of the attention-grabbing nerd who wants to show how clever he is. His teammates remember him sitting in the second row, at one end, and that is significant to understand Ivan, attentive to everything but to the side. There is a metaphor that he uses in the book: the red Ferrari car that almost always wins. There I understand that the PSOE is the equivalent of Ferrari. The red car wins if it has good drivers and a good team, like anyone else. But yes, I think that the PSOE is the party that most closely resembles Spain, the one that best understands its diversity and, therefore, starts from an advantageous position. Has the PSOE historically had better information and better analytical skills that the PP? I would not say so much. Arriola's analyzes were brilliant. And Moragas and Ayllón were not handicapped. And if you want, let's talk about Miguel Ángel Rodríguez ...The problem is not of the advisers, it is of the decisions of the politicians and their ability to occupy a central space. What happens is that the advisor is a fuse and all the fuses are blown. Also Iván. I would like you to compare Iván Redondo with Miguel Ángel Rodríguez. Miguel Ángel's personality is overwhelming and tremendous. I've fought a lot with him, but he's a good person. On a personal level they are in the antipodes. As professionals, the two dedicate themselves to their leaders, not their parties. Ivan is prudence, Michelangelo is daring. But Iván has also been very daring at times and Miguel Ángel, cautious. For me, the moral doubt with Redondo is not that he has worked for the PP and the PSOE. The moral doubt is to know if that sense of opportunity so overdeveloped is not detrimental to the sense of State. First:the sense of state is given by the party and the president and advisor help it to develop it. It is possible to disagree with the pardons in Catalonia, but it is not true that there was no sense of the State in that decision, And second: of course Iván has a sense of the State. The cabinet that he installed in Moncloa, at the height of the best, is a legacy for the State. The theory of his book is that, thanks to Redondo, Moncloa began to win the symbolic battles against the Generalitat, the little cabinet mischief ... When Sánchez went to see Torra, in Madrid it was said that he was treated like a foreign ruler. It was the opposite: Sánchez occupied the most sacred space of the Generalitat as a representative of legitimate sovereignty. I don't know how to interpret Redondo's recent eagerness to create an attractive character:Loreak Mendian's shirt with a jacket, long hair, Évole's ... Iván is a man who takes off his suit and dresses like anyone else. And Évole was a promise from years ago. It was half bad, right? Four hours of interview cut into 40 minutes with all the intention ... It is a damn format that is designed to show off someone who is not the interviewee. Could you summarize why Iván Redondo fell? He says he was leaving on the fifth of May. The president does not want to hear it or believes that he will convince him to continue, as happened other times and as he tried on the bell. His decision was vital rather than a matter of exhaustion: should a consultant tie his career to a single politician? He considers that not and that is what moves him. Later, the little contempt that Moncloa makes him, the fact that they do not name him ... Well,that's like breaking up with a partner and criticizing them the next day. It hurts but it is not the important thing.

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