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You wanted to be a dancer, but your voice prevailed. Yes, thank goodness! because the dance was a dream, but I was never going to achieve it. My father, with a lot of left hand, took it out of my head. At the age of 12, he made his debut in style at the inauguration of the Granada Conference Center. What do you think about when you sing? Enjoying yourself, even with nerves. I enjoy when I sing because I have been artistically free for a long time. It's very important. But it must be difficult to be free in flamenco. Yes, because you have to defend an inheritance, but when you have that base learned and internalized, from there, flamingos can do many things. It tastes like blood, as the cantaora Tía Anica la Piriñaca used to say? That generation went through so much fatigue and hardship.Flamenco is very real and those who don't do it like that can be seen from leagues. You have to be honest, but don't get pigeonholed by what others might think. The freedom of the artist must be above all else, he comes from a flamenco lineage. Daughter of the cantaor 'El Parrón' and granddaughter of 'La Rochina'. Did it make your job easier? It makes it easier for you that you already have it internalized. It comes standard, like in cars, but that needs to be polished. If you have a talent, but you don't work on it, it is useless. His first school was the Sacromonte caves. He was very young. When I was 7 or 8 years old, because I wanted to be a dancer, I went to the Cueva de la Rocío and felt part of that. I was having a great time. She was very well dressed, artist first of all! My makeup, my hairstyles, my flowers on top ... What was it like at school? Bad student, but very smart.I rode all the ends of the course. So, I had to rehearse all year long and I skipped out of all the classes I could. All the girls wanted me to choose them for the party because it was a sign that they were not going to study much. He debuted at 12 years old, but this is earlier, right? Yes, at 10 or 11 years old I had already put on my shows at school. I taught the girls the dances that I learned in my afternoon classes. At the end-of-year party, while they danced, I sang with my cousin on guitar. The teachers were delighted with me. They did not object because they saw that it could not be fixed. There are women who started very young, like you, and complain about machismo and situations in which they wanted to take advantage of them. Did you experience something like this, I've never encountered anything like thatI have not seen him with other colleagues, nor have they told me 'look, this guy has done ...'. But I've been very lucky. How many female flamenco artists stayed behind because they had to stay at home looking after the children? Without going any further, my grandmother. She had many qualities and could have been a good cantaora, but society was the way it was. The woman was getting married when she was 20 years old, not only the gypsies, she was filled with children and stayed at home. The woman was in the background and being an artist was frowned upon. Today is not like that. Is Spain different? Spain has its good and bad things. Here, flamenco is not where it should be, but the good thing is that when you do a soleá, they know how to launch an «olé» well said and on time. That is very important for an artist. As they say a bad "olé" already out of time, you wonder, but,Am I singing so badly? Abroad, perhaps, they don't know how to tell you the "olé" at the right time, but the respect and admiration for flamenco is brutal. They treat us like great divos. So, flamenco here doesn't enjoy the recognition it deserves? No, because politicians haven't contributed much either. They see it as

. Well, this is normal. If you eat

ham every day, you

don't care about it. This is what happens in Spain with flamenco. If they brought it from the United States, we would even have it in our soup and everyone would be flamenco and sing bulerías. The topic unites flamenco and bullfighting. You are married to a bullfighting businessman who was a bullfighter. I married him as a bullfighter.

total. We get along really good. Pedro is very calm and I am quite the opposite. It is my counterweight. What would I say to those who call bullfighters murderers? Well, before speaking, ask them and, before offending anyone, look inside because there are many murderers in life. For me, a murderer is one who kills his children or another person, not a man who kills a bull. You have to see the love that the bullfighter feels for the bull, how he cares for, respects and idolizes him. There is a lot of tension. It is fashionable. But it is also true that the bullfighting world must be updated because they have not regenerated the fans and you hardly see children in bullfighting anymore. Before, the grandfather took them to the square and that creates a hobby.In flamenco there is generational change? Lole and Manuel, Camarón, Paco de Lucía, Enrique Morente, Carmen Linares ...They belong to a very brave generation that hooked us. To my peña, La Platería, I tell him to give facilities to be a member and that young people feel protected, as I felt at the time. He sang at the mythical Espárrago Rock festival in Granada, before a non-flamenco audience. Enrique Morente, who already did things with the Lagartija [Nick], but had not yet recorded that wonderful work that is the album

; but he was already mulling it over in his head. When I went on stage and saw the

, the colored crests, full of chains, the

... When I was 15 or 16 I said to myself, but where the hell am I going to sing? Where have I been? I had to bite my tongue because it was to start singing for alegrías and people fell silent, sat on the floor and listened to the whole recital without making a sound. They were very respectful. It was a

without hands. When Enrique and the Lizards came out, people exploded and went crazy. More challenges. He sang flamenco in English and German. Do you speak these languages? What am I going to talk about! It was at an opera in Munich with Mauricio Sotelo, who later won the National Music Prize and is a wonderful composer. There was a soprano, a tenor and two cantaoras. And he told us that it was not right for us to sing in Spanish. "You have to do this fandango in German". But what are you saying?! And they put us a teacher of German and English. I sang a fandango in German and alegrías in English. But I don't even remember what they were like or anything at all. If you were President of the Government, what would your first decision be? If you were President of the Government, you would ruin the country because you would distribute all the money among the people so that they would not suffer fatigue, like Lola Flores.[Laughter] But I would invest more in culture and organize the cultural sector more so that artists can have peace of mind to continue creating. I've been told that you have a great sense of humor, but are you good at telling jokes? much laugh in general. The jokes I know are all very green. Tell, tell ...

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