[SBS Lee Chul-hee's Political Show]
The copyright of the interview material is on SBS Radio. When posting in full text or citing interviews, please provide the name of the channel and the exact program name as follows.
■ TV: The Politics of SBS show, Chul - Hee (FM 103.5 MHz 9:05 ~ 11:00)
■ Progress: Knowledge Chul - Hee Design Institute
■ Broadcast Date: Thurs., March 4th in 2021
■ Cast: Democrats, with hongyoungpyo - yunseokyeol Action is very unsense, unreasonable
-the heavy water office destroys the constitution? President Yoon's remarks are absurd
-Even if 180 seats are not allowed, democracy in parliament will be restored-
There is no conflict between the Party and the Office, and it is not lame
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: 《Lee Cheol-hee's Political Show》 We originally conducted the two corners of <New Discovery>, but today there are circumstances for both of them, so we invited them to join us. Representative Hong Young-pyo of the Democratic Party, welcome.
▶Hong Young-pyo: Yes, nice to meet you.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Sorry, so I'm a tinkerer. I was the one I served as a member of the National Assembly, so I asked him to come out once because it was the most random.
▶Hong Young-pyo: Still, it's a glorious tinker, because it can come out like this.
▷Lee Cheol-hee: You said it was number 18 while listening to the leopard of Kilimanjaro. Is it real?
▶Young-pyo Hong: That's right.
The song I could sing when I was in karaoke in the old days is this Kilimanjaro leopard.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: This is very difficult.
You rap, too, in the middle?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Yes?
▷Lee Cheol-hee: Do you rap too?
▶Hong Young-pyo: You can do it perfectly.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: Is that right?
▶Hong Young-pyo: But I haven't been to karaoke for a long time, so I don't know if I'll do everything right now.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: You like music, right?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Right.
▷Lee Cheol-hee: Today, some things can be done softly, and some things can be done directly like this?
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes.
follow your heart.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: You are overflowing with yourself.
Are you an idiot?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Right.
I have two daughters and I live with three women.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Three women?
Oh, that’s how it’s three?
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes.
▷Lee Chul-hee: I saw it from the side, but if it's about my daughter, I really can't get it to my mind.
Are you like that these days?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Shouldn't it be more and more?
▷Lee Chul-hee: Then how do you get married later?
▶Hong Young-pyo: No, well, if you want to live together later at home, you have to do well.
▷Lee Cheol-hee: If I briefly introduce my history, he served as the representative of the hospital in the 20th National Assembly, and before that, he strengthened the labor movement.
Did you do it really hard?
▶Hong Young-pyo: I did it in the 80s.
It was a labor movement and a democratization movement.
▷Lee Cheol-hee: Then, did you join Daewoo Group again and become the London branch manager?
▶Hong Young-pyo: I'm not the governor, I went to the labor campaign in the early 80's as a so-called camouflage job, and
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: Undercover employment?
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes.
So, let's go to the field after going to college.
Wasn't that such a time as whether it would become a democracy in our lifetime in Korea after 5.18?
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: Right.
It was severe.
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes.
So, we should go to the labor field and rural areas and conduct consciousness and organization activities like this so that even our future generations can enjoy democracy. In this way, I went like the first generation. In '85, there was a huge strike at Daewoo Motors, and it has been a decade since then. During my life as a layoff, I actually ended the labor movement to the Confederation of Trade Unions Preparation Committee.
Then, when I was reinstated, I went to the London branch of Daewoo Motors as a resident employee, not as a branch manager, but as a resident employee.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: Did you sell a car?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Yes?
▷Lee Chul-hee: Did you sell a car?
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes.
I did some kind of car marketing.
So Daewoo was also restructured after closing the company in the aftermath of the IMF, and in fact, I lost my job at that time.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Did you lose your job again?
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes.
▷Lee Chul-hee: What was the head of the Korea-US FTA that was indispensable for a politician named Hong Young-pyo?
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes.
I am the head of the Korea-US FTA signing support group.
Therefore, there was a support group for the conclusion of the Korea-US FTA under the direct control of the President.
▷Lee Chul-hee: But the labor campaigner Hong Yeong-pyo lived with was very opposed to the FTA, right?
Was it difficult?
▶Hong Young-pyo: I was one of the five Korean-US FTAs at that time, and then, when I was the last representative in the hospital, Trump might impose a 25% tariff on cars exported from the United States to Korea because of a car dispute between Korea and the United States. It was a very super-emergency during the government, and I met with the Minister of Commerce Wilbur Ross at that time and resolved everything through the Korea-US FTA, but it was unfair to impose additional automobile tariffs on Korea, and at that time I said, " I was the one who had the Korea-US FTA."
▷Lee Chul-hee: At that time, the opposition was severe, but it's been a while since we already signed it, isn't it?
How, are you satisfied, do you think you did a good job?
▶Hong Young-pyo: I think the automobile trade was a representative example of the Trump administration.
'What would have happened without it?'
Then, in fact, at the time, the late President Roh Moo-hyun said that the FTA is inevitable for us, but also the FTA is to expand our economic territory, but it is inevitable that such an industry or agriculture that is to be avoided will appear, so polarization is not possible. It is one cause of getting worse, so you have to do it well on the other hand.
So the last thing I did was the FTA domestic countermeasure headquarters.
But, in fact, these things should have been steadily, but as the Lee Myung-bak administration and the Park Geun-hye administration have neglected such domestic countermeasures a little, I think it is a point that needs to be supplemented again.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: I see.
I'll show you my true color.
The reason why Hong Young-pyo was invited to the hospital is "It is the second round of the prosecution reform." In fact, the fact that the prosecution reform is on track is that the bill passed through the fast track when the in-house representative, right?
I put it on the fast track.
The official plenary session was passed by the hospital representative after that, but that was the beginning.
I think you'll have some extraordinary feelings.
So, first of all, if I ask you a straightforward question, the Severe Crime Investigation Office, is it not that the ruling party is in a hurry?
Shouldn't we have to broaden the public opinion convergence?
▶Hong Yeong-pyo: I am not the one that has been officially formulated by the Party and decided by the Party's opinion right now.
However, the principle of separating the right of investigation and the right of prosecution, this is clear, that was the president's pledge for the presidential election last time, and then, at the personnel hearing, President Yoon Suk-yeol should also go in this direction,
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: That's right.
I was also there.
▶Hong Young-pyo: The logic of those who opposed it when creating an airlift at the time was "What would you do if you made an airborne?"
In order to do that, they argued that the right to investigate and the right to prosecute should be separated.
That's what people's power or the logic of those who oppose the airlifting agency today, the airlifting agency doesn't mean much if it's made, and the right of investigation and prosecution should be separated, didn't it?
Now, however, it is absurd to say that Yoon Seok-yeol is destroying a certain judicial system of a constitution.
So I don't think that this issue needs to be in a hurry by our party, and this is sufficiently discussed in the party to make such a perfect bill, and not only the prosecution, but also the government departments, and the people of all walks of life, With enough opinions, I think it's important to create a perfect bill.
So, it is a little different from our judgment that some media and opposition parties do that right now.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Then, I hear the principle of separation of investigation and prosecution is firm, but I don't know if some of the hard-liners, known now, have insisted that way.
As is known, isn't this schedule with legislation in March and processing in June?
▶Hong Young-pyo: That has not been decided by the party right now.
▷Lee Cheol-hee: Even if I think about it, I also tried to shorten it, but I wonder if it is physically possible?
▶Hong Yeong-pyo: So, this is why I suffered a lot of pain at the time of the airlift and when we were launched, and this time, if I separate the right of investigation and the right to prosecute and create a new third body in any form, it takes a considerable amount of time to prepare it.
And, for example, when an independent organization dedicated to investigation was created, prosecutors also had expertise in the power of investigation, and if I could do this better, those people could come in and organize it again.
So, these issues are now more debated, and in any case, the unique function or role of this prosecution, it should not be stopped or should not be interrupted, so I really need a more careful discussion and opinion gathering in order to prepare perfectly for such things. I'm looking at it like this.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: I asked for something heavy, so I'll go lightly again.
In the days of the in-house representative, the partner was at first Kim Seong-tae, the hospital representative, and then Na Kyung-won, the hospital representative.
Both of them were defeated last time.
Then there was Kwan-young Kim, the representative of the hospital, Soha Yoon, and the Justice Party.
There was also a representative from the hospital, Byeong-wan Jang, and they all fell out.
Aren't you a little sorry that you survived this alone?
▶Hong Young-pyo: It has become a little like that politically.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Do you occasionally contact them?
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes.
I meet occasionally.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Oh, is it?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Since I had a hard time as the in-hospital representative anyway, I tend to meet with each other, so is it not that I should be good at after-sales service?
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: Sure.
Rather than meeting each other just because they are seated, we need to meet often to communicate.
▶Hong Young-pyo: Looking at me like this, I suffered from pain until the end because of the fast track, but I wasn't 129 seats in our party at that time?
And there were 4 political parties to deal with.
So, in a way, I think that not fast track, but especially in the days of Park Sung-Tae Kim, important legislation and these things, I think, perhaps I achieved more achievements than any other in-house representative in the past.
So, there were 12 agreements at the time, with former representative Kim Seong-tae.
However, the former representative of Na Kyung-won did not have much of that achievement.
There were only two agreements.
In the same way, both of them did 180 days with me.
By the way,
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: Oh, is it?
6 months each?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Just six months each.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Oh, it was.
When Seong-tae Kim and Young-pyo Hong became the best representatives of the hospital, the former representative of the hospital was in the middle of a protest.
At that time, the Liberal Korean Party, in front of the National Assembly, at the bottom of the stairs.
As soon as it was done, you went straight to that road, right?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Right.
At that time, former hospital representative Kim Seong-tae was on the 8th day,
▷Lee Chul-hee: Oh, it's been the 8th?
▶Hong Young-pyo: I was on a fasting campaign, and the National Assembly had no dialogue between the ruling and opposition parties for about three months at that time
.
▶Hong Young-pyo: The National Assembly was paralyzed.
So I went straight to the hospital and told me to go to the hospital, so I just went to the hospital that afternoon, and I went to the hospital alone at 7 o'clock on a Sunday morning, while I was in the hospital.
At that time, it was an opportunity to normalize the National Assembly.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Did you normalize it like that?
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes.
▷Lee Chul-hee: But at that time, what former hospital representative Kim Seong-tae requested was a Drooking special sword, right?
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Did you get that?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Right.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Why did you get that?
▶Hong Young-pyo: At that time, the special prosecutor of Drucking was already, and Governor Kim Gyeong-soo, in fact, I still have the judgment of the judiciary right now, but I thought it wasn't a problem at all.
There was such a thing, and there was already such a consensus within the party.
So, as an opportunity for me to do that, we had to make an additional supplement at that time, but the opposition party didn't respond for about three months, so the government was in a very embarrassing situation.
So I did it then, and I solved various problems together at that time.
▷Lee Chul-hee: But this is a sensitive issue, I just said this because I wanted to hear the story behind the scenes, but to accept this, Governor Kim Gyeong-soo, who was talking about it, also said OK and asked to be more active. ?
Do you communicate with the Blue House and do some coordination?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Right.
Somehow, the representatives in the hospital are going to play a central role by the party, the government, and the government to coordinate and coordinate various issues.
Not all of the things you can just decide by yourself are not like that.
▷Lee Chul-hee: But you said you received a text bomb because you accepted that Druking special sword?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Well, yes, I have received a lot of criticism throughout my in-house representative, and for our supporters, that Drooking Special Prosecutor is really a political issue, and I am still very hard to understand.
So, aren't the supporters supposed to be angry with me?
▷Lee Chul-hee: Still, if you represent Hong Young-pyo, it is the core of your family, so it must have been that much, right?
If I said no, it would have been almost ruined.
Now, let’s go back to the difficult story.
There was a brief talk of such a story during the last riot between the president and the party Shin Hyun-soo, but as I said, there is a difference between the speed that the Blue House or the president wants and the speed that the party wants with this prosecution reform 2.0, that is, the second-stage prosecution reform. It seemed like there were some.
It even happened after the story of Lame Duck, but how should we understand that?
▶Hong Young-pyo: I, no, the Blue House and the Party have such disagreements and conflicts, I don't think such a situation is at all.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: Is that right?
▶Hong Young-pyo: However, there can be fierce discussions on certain issues sometimes, and there can be disagreements, and I think that it is always something to adjust.
So this time, I don't think it's a problem that will come out so far.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: I see.
One more thing, about the reform of the prosecution, I talk about it around me, "The Democratic Party seems to be looking only at Yoon Seok-yeol. You have to listen to and respect all the prosecutors' intentions, but every day you look only at Yun, you just fight and refute anything. And why?"
Did you point out this?
How do you look?
▶Hong Young-pyo: I think the person named Yun Suk-yeol is probably a very unique person as the prosecutor general like this.
Maybe because I'm trying to do politics, I think that I'm trying to cover up because I'm trying to make an irrational number like that, so I think it's very unsense, and the other thing is because I have some weaknesses in myself.
However, in fact, I think that many prosecutors are working hard for the prosecution's unique function of preventing any justice, fairness, and corruption in our society. It seems to be doing, when I see it.
So, what I can fully understand is that President Yoon Seok-yeol does that because of some political ambition and personal problems, and that is what makes the prosecution organization unhappy.
And I think that we must do these issues at the last stage of the prosecution reform that is being discussed now, and that we must do it by entering the prosecution's opinion.
So what we've been talking about is that some of the problems of the political prosecution are now completely combined with the political ambition of President Yoon Suk-yeol, so I think it's the most maximized right now.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: Yes, I see.
Kim Gyu-yong texted me.
I ask a question to the former hospital representative.
I believe that eradicating all courtesy is the foundation of the prosecution's judicial reform.
If the investigation and prosecution are separated, do you think it is possible to eradicate such courtesy?
▶Young-pyo Hong: I think it is possible.
This issue of courtesy is too serious and isn't it?
In fact, the people who make the most money in the legal market are the people who have done such a political prosecution by the prosecution and make so much money.
However, it is systematically and fundamentally preventing such things.
So, I'm not sure that this courtesy is actually a lot of stories like "genetically innocent, not exclusively guilty," right?
At that level, our people really have to set up a judicial justice. I think this public opinion is 60% and 70%.
Therefore, any last prosecution sees that the vested and privileged forces in the judiciary are resisting this way.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: I see.
He texted me on YouTube and said, "What do you think Congressman Hong Yeong-pyo sees about Kim Jin-suk recently? Do you have consensus from the perspective of the labor movement?"
You do it.
▶Hong Young-pyo: I came to the National Assembly and I served the Environmental Labor Committee the longest.
▷Lee Chul-hee: Did you also serve as the chairman?
▶Hong Young-pyo: Yes?
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: Did you serve as the chairman?
▶Hong Young-pyo: I also served as the chairman, and I spent five years at the Hwanno Committee, especially during the Lee Myung-bak and Park Geun-hye administrations, and the Lee Myung-bak administration, when there was a massive repression against the labor movement. Was.
That's why I was traveling around the country to support the fighting workplace at that time, and one of them is Hanjin Heavy Industries & Construction.
So even at that time, even though we were very opposition parties at that time, even though we were very opposition parties, we called the chairman of Hanjin Heavy Industries to the National Assembly and made adjustments, but Hanjin Heavy Industries itself is on the verge of closing because the business itself is not working properly. .
In this situation, Jinsook Kim is not being resolved right now.
So, from a very perspective on this issue, I know that there is a limit to what the government can do with the government, and from the point of view of Kim Jin-suk, I know that my health is not really good. Since I've been doing this for 10 years, I know the feelings enough and I understand, but it's a pity that the true solution is that the company is almost in bankruptcy, and this problem is not easy anyway.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: I see.
I may be my opinion, too, but I am an abbreviated person, so please listen to Kim Jin-suk's side.
▶Hong Young-pyo: Of course it is.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: I see.
You said you're running for the party representative?
▶Young-pyo Hong: Yes, we are preparing.
▷Lee Chul-hee: I don't have too much time, so I'll ask one shortly.
If you are the party representative, will you just take 180 seats and just drink alone?
▶Hong Young-pyo: I don't think so, the National Assembly.
After all, parliamentary democracy is about dialogue and compromise, and it is also what politics should do to prevent certain social interests from colliding into conflict and division.
So stabilizing and unifying the society, because this is the National Assembly, it is very important that we restore the spirit of some basic parliamentary democracy.
▷ Lee Cheol-hee: I see.
If you are the representative, I will conclude with an order with the words that it would be nice if you could negotiate so-called cooperation with the opposition party.
You must be busy, but thank you for coming out.
▶Hong Young-pyo: Yes, thank you.
▷Lee Chul-hee: I interviewed the former hospital representative Hong Young-pyo, and I have to go out with him when he goes out.
The day has eased, but I hope you have a good day.
thank you.
(SBS Department of New Media/Photo = Yonhap News)