Disenchanted with Ciudadanos by an approach to Pedro Sánchez that gave "wings to separatism", Lorena Roldán (Tarragona, 1981) surprisingly moved to the PP to certify the open dispute between the constitutionalist forces that will be fought in the Catalan regional elections.

Question.- Why did you leave Ciudadanos? I took the step because it is difficult for me to recognize some of the decisions of the party leadership.

Especially with that approach to Sánchez.

Ciudadanos was born with the vocation of

to oppose separatism and to be an alternative.

When you have a socialist government totally committed to nationalism and agree on things with ERC such as eliminating Spanish as a vehicular language, you have to stand up.

Now there is only one party that offers this double alternative of opposition to separatism and sanchismo, and that is the PP.

Would she have left if she had not been relieved by Carlos Carrizosa as a candidate for Ciudadanos?

It is not a question of the chair, as Ciudadanos has commented.

The party itself has recognized that it would have offered me number two on the list [the one it will have in the PP].

It is a matter of convictions, of defending what you believe.

How did it fit, in any case, to be relieved after having received 86% of support from the militancy in the primaries?

There came a point where we saw that we had to do more than what was done in 2017, when Ciudadanos won the elections, but that did not translate into anything.

In the end, we once again had a separatist government.

I took a generous step to the side so that a sum could be produced in constitutionalism with the PSC and the PP.

That did not happen and I found the PP project, which is thinking about the sum, which is capable of adding different sensitivities, such as mine or Eva Parera's.

Everything that divides constitutionalism makes separatism stronger.

We have to give an option to Catalans tired of so much procés, even to Catalans who in the past have been separatists, but have realized that they have been sold smoke.

It is also necessary to offer an alternative to those Catalans so disappointed.

Why didn't you tear the card when you found that Inés Arrimadas was negotiating so openly with Pedro Sánchez?

I wanted to be prudent.

Inés had every right to make the decisions she thought appropriate, but the people who were active in the party had the right to disagree.

Those decisions were taken to the extreme and, I insist, there comes a point where you have to stand.

When you see that Sánchez always chooses the radicals, that he always prefers ERC, you have to say: 'up to here'.

And I have only seen that attitude within the PP.

Even knowing that constitutionalism did not add up, should he have tried the Arrimadas investiture in 2017 to return the support received to the voters?

In the past, when you see the disappointment in the people, that many constitutionalists think: 'Why am I going to vote if nothing happens later, if there is no change, if we all overturn like in 2017 and we have to put up with it again more years of procés'.

Analyzing all this, I think that the investiture should have been tried.

They did not give the numbers and nothing would have changed, but it is important to convey the message to the public that we are not condemned to a separatist government for life.

I guess their goal is not to raise a couple of seats, as Arrimadas and Carrizosa predicted.

Obviously not.

The trend is up.

The PP had a bad time in Catalonia a few years ago, but the course has been corrected.

Does your signing anticipate a takeover bid from the PP to Cs at the national level?

I insist that the only party that offers the double alternative to separatism and sanchismo, to populism in general, is the PP.

Do you remember the constitutional communion project of this PP that Cs represented three years ago?

When I listened to Alejandro Fernández or Pablo Casado, he reminded me a lot of Albert Rivera from the beginning, who is the one who motivated me to take the step to politics with his fresh and unapologetic speech to denounce the abuses of separatism.

She said she was in favor of a constitutional sum.

Yes. And that sum is now possible around the PP project, which is being generous by creating this space in which many people can feel identified.

Wouldn't you have preferred they had gone to the elections together?

The way to do it is not important.

Are you not afraid of the perception among the constitutional voter that today the parties are more focused on competing than on the unity exhibited in 2017?

Anyone who understands within constitutionalism that the adversary is another constitutionalist force is very wrong.

Constitutionalism is doomed to add.

I insist, every time constitutionalism is divided, the one who benefits is separatism and we have to understand that.

Would you be in favor of the PP agreeing with the PSC to form a constitutional government?

The PSC has in mind its preferred partners: ERC and the commons, no matter how much Illa repeats that it does not.

That the Catalans are not pending the words of the PSC, that they are pending of the facts.

That the PSC returns to constitutionalism is not going to happen.

Sánchez will agree with ERC to stay in power.

But for asking for miracles, I would ask you not to agree with those who want to destroy our country.

Spain needs a change and it can start on February 14 in Catalonia.

I am not resigned to believing that in Catalonia there are only two alternatives: another separatist government or a tripartite one.

There may be a third option: a constitutional government that abandons the process once and for all.

It happened in Andalusia.

Would you contemplate Vox's support for that eventual alternative constitutionalist government?

With formations like Vox we share some aspects such as the defense of the Constitution in Catalonia and of values ​​such as freedom, which have been put in danger, but there are also many things that separate us from Vox.

We defend the state of the autonomies and we are a European party.

Those things deeply separate us.

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