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This 57-year-old from Bilbao was a professor of Constitutional Law and is a spokesperson for the PNV in the Congress of Deputies since 2012. Negotiating politician, he feels a rare avis in the Spanish ecosystem.

Did you imagine on April 29 that there would be electoral repetition? Honestly not, I saw the investiture of Pedro Sánchez very easy. I was surprised that they were delaying it. At the first meeting with [José Luis] Ábalos, I asked him about the times and he said "uh, you know." I thought, oh mother, how easy it seemed. Do you think Pedro Sánchez wanted to go to elections? I don't know. What I know is that I didn't want a coalition government. Who was wrong was Podemos. He had to know what the other was playing. And what was he playing? Sanchez wanted an investiture as cheap and light as possible, that's why so much appeal to Rivera puzzled us from others. We can not read the play. And look we told him. He thought he had the strength to force the PSOE. I don't know what world they live in. Do you think Pedro Sánchez's play could go wrong? He had it sucked. Esquerra was willing to pull forward. What do you aspire to? Maybe to have some more seats, to weaken Podemos, to eliminate Esquerra from the equation. The carambolas are given, but I think it can go wrong. To the point that the right-wing parties add up to govern? I don't trust the polls. I do not know what will be the degree of mobilization of the left and the fatigue due to the lack of agreement. Note angry people? Yes, a lot. I'm angry, how can people not be? It is logical. Of all colors, they are pissed off. The elections are very open, I don't see them defined. People went out to vote in mass against the photo of Columbus and Sanchez has decided to play dice with other elections. A drop in participation will do more damage to the left than to the right. I do not rule out that there is a tripartite right. If so, we will do the turtle like the legions and endure whatever we like. Is the PNV still willing to support Sánchez after 10-N? We have always said that our votes will be there, but he did not want to negotiate and I am very afraid that after 10-N he will not want to. We do not know what he wants. It may be that he wants an agreement with Citizens, or with the PP, because he has made nods in that direction. I find it funny when I hear around in the gatherings the hypothesis that the PNV can enter into that possible agreement. The PNV with Rivera no? Well no. We will not go anywhere with whom he calls us "band", he talks about the quota calling him a coupon and tells lies. What do we paint there? Have you feared for the continuity of the Basque Concert when Citizens open that debate? I have had the fear. Many have no idea of ​​history, they do not understand Basque society. I am always alert. I never say this is not going to happen, that sometimes we have said it and then it happens. The Basque PP has just committed itself to forality. I do not know if it is the Basque PP that commands or is [Cayetana] Álvarez de Toledo. The Basque PP has sought a Spain Suma with Citizens. What does a foralist PP wanting an agreement with the enemies of the Concert? How do you feel when he hears you say that you are the most sensible spokesman in Congress? I think the time will come when you will be left behind. From the Basque Country we hallucinate with what happens in Madrid. We think that this inability to dialogue is incredible. Why do parties have so many difficulties for the agreement? In Spanish politics everything has become very personalistic. More than organizations, they are people. Alpha males They were telegraphing the conversations. A negotiation can never be done like this. Is there a crisis of parties or leadership? The parties have been insulted and it is a mistake. Matches are more necessary than ever. What we have are hyperliderazgos that present the policy in terms of tension. These are our flags and I will not admit any other. Thus it is impossible to make politics. The goal is to defeat the other. In this pre-campaign, the national parties are changing, it seems that PSOE, PP and Citizens compete for the center. Facts and not words. The right does not assume the problems of the territories and continues to aspire to govern unilaterally. The Spanish parties do not admit what their society is like and pretend that it can change to an electoral coup. What do you think of the word Spain appearing in almost all electoral slogans? A few are interested in covering up their shame and can excite the voter's spirits to go to the polls when there is a disappointment in the citizenship due to the lack of credibility and management of the parties. Will the 'procés' sentence mark the campaign? I don't think anything will happen. I don't see anything other than the permanent tie and the State has all the time in the world for the permanent tie. Sanchez's gestures towards independence were little appreciated. Now he has gone to the absolute, not to mention more than 155.O of the National Security Law.It is not applicable to solve an internal problem. Its formulation is not even contemplated in the Constitution, but the independence parties threaten disobedience and another 1-0. They rejected Sánchez's outstretched hand. That does not justify the change. I think that in spite of everything you always have to offer your hand. Spanish society has to know that Catalonia is a political problem that must be solved, not only with repression. And it is not true that there are no signs from the other side. Esquerra has been willing to support the investiture. If that is not a sign ...

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