Europe 1 went to a small cemetery near a medium-sized town in Ukraine. The two countries are trying to hide as best as possible the number of soldiers who died in combat.
In Russia, the territory makes it possible to distribute the losses and make them less visible. But in Ukraine, the carnage of the front is displayed for all to see in the cemeteries of the smallest towns and cities. "I lost my man and my two sons lost their father," says the father of one of the dead.