Fernando Savater and Rosa Díez face to face, "like Tip and Coll": "Intellectuals have played a miserable role". "It's terrible how many ideas and tastes are prohibited," says Savater.

"The intellectuals have not acted against ZP or Sánchez," says Díz. We invite you to discuss the present regarding the new book by the former Basque socialist: 'How did we get to this?'. "Democratic degeneration" is Savater's new book.