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"My father always told me: 'You work and always go with the truth ahead. And life will smile at you'. I have it engraved on fire. On fire."

José Rojo Pacheta

(Salas de los Infantes, Burgos, 1968) does not try to hide his emotion from the journalist.

While he clings to memories, he escapes the dialectic artifices of elite football.

He spreads optimism without hiding the scars of life.

But also of a profession that this Sunday, at the head of a

Valladolid

team that he returned to the First Division, will take him to the Camp Nou.

Tell me about your parents. [Pacheta takes a while, sighs, and drives off].

I always remember them working, and I close by.

But holding on to the hand of my late sister.

She was ten years older than me.

She died three years ago, like my mother.

I still have my father, although he is now very ill.

I'm an hour and a half away from him.

In recent years, maybe it's the closer I've come.

The memory I have of my parents is always fond.

They were rarely at home because they were very hard-working people, but I was with them because we had all worked since we were little.

We had some cows, hoe land and the four pigs to eat. What did his parents insist on? Work and honesty.

For my parents, for the area where I was born, for the climate and everything that goes with it... Now that the years go by and you see life go by,

you realize that when you act honestly, the problem lies with the person in front of you.

Not you.

And so I think I have passed it on to my children. Now, in football, do parents act more as representatives than parents? Yes.

And we were wrong.

It is a tremendous evil.

I would not let parents or trainings in.

We have to let the child play and play.

That is essential.

Now you can't play in the streets, in the squares, anywhere.

If we can't take football to the streets, perhaps we have to take the streets to the academies. He has been a footballer, a sports director, a coach... What does football give him that does not separate? What it gives me is happiness.

It has cost me, I have the feeling that nothing has been given to me to be in the First Division today.

I've had to go to Thailand, Australia, Poland...

Lots of places to grow.

Football gives me emotion.

gives me life

This is passionate. And suffering? A lot.

The big loser in football is the family.

The defeat does not authorize me to go out to dinner with my wife and children.

I go home and have to grieve for a few hours until I think about it.

I admire people who relativize all this.

And you have to do it, because life is much more than football. It doesn't seem that way. But if the family and the environment are stable and there are no health problems or important things, what matters most to you at that moment is the worked.

Football.

Losses are very painful.

In football there are more unpleasant situations than pleasant ones.

Although when the pleasant ones arrive, they far outweigh all the suffering.

Do you blame yourself for not having dedicated more time to your family because you dedicated it to football? Have no doubts.

Every day I reproach myself for not having dedicated myself more to them.

Although it is difficult for me to regret my decisions because I believe that I take them sensibly, honestly, with simplicity.

But it is true that sometimes you sacrifice a lot.

Perhaps all this is what leads you to build yourself as a person.

I'm still with the same woman I married when I was 21, my children are still there, and I think that the environment, for a profession like ours, is fundamental.

If not, I couldn't.

Either you understand this work and this passion, or it would be impossible.

The key for many of us is to choose the environment well. Does our society forbid failure? We are trying to generate a human being who can only succeed.

We are getting used to it.

And we don't realize that every year only one succeeds, and that the rest of us fail.

Failure is much closer to us.

We have to admit defeats.

We are building people who will have a hard time interpreting failure.

In my years in Salas de los Infantes, a very small town with a lot of austerity, we grew up in the happiness of the street.

Of the Friends.

I'll tell you one thing.

I think that up to the age of 14 children should be prohibited in the cities.

It would be necessary to take them to the towns. His figure provokes a certain contradiction.

In the final stretch of last season, when few thought that Valladolid could go up to the First Division, you were full of optimism.

He seemed to be the only one who believed.

Did he carry the sorrow inside? Everything I say is because I am convinced of it.

If not, it could not be achieved.

But we all have reasons to be sorry, to be sad, or even bitter.

The things that go inside must be tried to separate them.

But then you have to be convinced of what you do.

I try to transmit to everyone around me the optimism of life.

And more in this profession, dammit.

That we are dedicated to football.

To the emotion of the people.

We are not people who save lives.

We give illusion.

And this is very nice.

This profession that we have chosen is often very thankless.

It is true that it carries many things about you because you are an important part of these corporations that exist now.

But I try to convey to everyone what I believe.

Of course, inside we carry many stories.

And what you have to do is set them aside and handle them.

Nothing more.

The things that go inside must be tried to separate them.

But then you have to be convinced of what you do.

I try to transmit to everyone around me the optimism of life.

And more in this profession, dammit.

That we are dedicated to football.

To the emotion of the people.

We are not people who save lives.

We give illusion.

And this is very nice.

This profession that we have chosen is often very thankless.

It is true that it carries many things about you because you are an important part of these corporations that exist now.

But I try to convey to everyone what I believe.

Of course, inside we carry many stories.

And what you have to do is set them aside and handle them.

Nothing more.

The things that go inside must be tried to separate them.

But then you have to be convinced of what you do.

I try to transmit to everyone around me the optimism of life.

And more in this profession, dammit.

That we are dedicated to football.

To the emotion of the people.

We are not people who save lives.

We give illusion.

And this is very nice.

This profession that we have chosen is often very thankless.

It is true that it carries many things about you because you are an important part of these corporations that exist now.

But I try to convey to everyone what I believe.

Of course, inside we carry many stories.

And what you have to do is set them aside and handle them.

Nothing more.

And more in this profession, dammit.

That we are dedicated to football.

To the emotion of the people.

We are not people who save lives.

We give illusion.

And this is very nice.

This profession that we have chosen is often very thankless.

It is true that it carries many things about you because you are an important part of these corporations that exist now.

But I try to convey to everyone what I believe.

Of course, inside we carry many stories.

And what you have to do is set them aside and handle them.

Nothing more.

And more in this profession, dammit.

That we are dedicated to football.

To the emotion of the people.

We are not people who save lives.

We give illusion.

And this is very nice.

This profession that we have chosen is often very thankless.

It is true that it carries many things about you because you are an important part of these corporations that exist now.

But I try to convey to everyone what I believe.

Of course, inside we carry many stories.

And what you have to do is set them aside and handle them.

Nothing more.

But I try to convey to everyone what I believe.

Of course, inside we carry many stories.

And what you have to do is set them aside and handle them.

Nothing more.

But I try to convey to everyone what I believe.

Of course, inside we carry many stories.

And what you have to do is set them aside and handle them.

Nothing more.

One of the most important aspects of soccer is learning how to survive. [Let a few seconds go by].

Yes, and more now.

The other day I was listening to a reflection by Lopetegui.

He's getting a little crazy about this whole soccer thing.

Now all opinions are expressed publicly.

Before, those comments didn't reach you.

They were reflections in a bar.

And now anyone can be heard even in Australia.

We are reaching unpleasant points.

I already know a few professionals who are leaving this, tired.

I try to learn, I try to isolate myself from all this and give importance to the opinions that have value for me. What do you attribute this tension to? I don't think there is more tension than there was before, but there are some platforms where everything the world expresses itself.

And it is shown that they always do it negatively, not positively.

That is what we have to analyze and relativize.

I try to isolate myself from all of it.

A ruthless criticism or a superlative compliment generates a coach or a human being that I am not.

I am neither one nor the other.

I am who I am, and no one has to prove it to me.

Nobody has to hurt me.

I try not to affect this, but it's complicated. Looking for figures with a very marked personality, among all the coaches he had as a player there is a special figure: Marcelo Bielsa. The one I spent the most time with was José Antonio Camacho.

But Marcelo Bielsa... he is a genius.

Really.

His IQ is higher.

I don't think we'll be able to interpret exactly what he wants for many years to come.

He is a guy capable of convincing you and generating a type of physical and mental training that works for him.

It would be very difficult for me to manage its parameters to convince the player.

I try to do it another way.

But it marks a lot.

For personality, aura, knowledge, for his command of the language, expression... For everything.

It made me think a lot.

Although I think we are a cluster of the coaches that we have.

As in any job, you can learn from all your bosses.

What to do, and what not to do. Are we living in a stage of over-analysis of football? Yes, it is true that we now handle a tremendous amount of data.

But data is data.

They must corroborate your analysis or diagnosis.

I compare it with the radiological tests of the doctors, which corroborate the diagnosis.

If not, what do they need you for?

Let's go to a game.

Yes you can control some data in real time,

but there comes back the intuition and the analysis of the coach with the assistants that he has around him.

'It's that they have more possession than us.'

Does not matter!

Let's go to the essence of the game, to the anguish that the player may have, and look for solutions.

Do you handle much more data?

Yes. What do we do?

Relativize them.

They must corroborate what we see.

If not, we will be wrong. This Sunday he faces Barcelona.

What comes to mind? There were two years, when I played with Espanyol, when we were winning in the 85th minute and we lost.

I have the memory of only drawing once at the Camp Nou and it was with Numancia (1-1, November 2000).

And, of course, I retain an indelible memory against Barça.

It was a moment of glory in my sports career:

the three-way tie at Los Pajaritos [that October 16, 1999, Numancia equalized 3-3 when they lost 0-2 less than a quarter of an hour before the end against Barça de Van Gaal].

The third goal was scored by me [a header to the squad in the 95th minute].

He didn't even get out of midfield.

When I have faced these big teams I have always had the feeling of suffering, suffering and suffering.

They're very good. What does the Camp Nou transmit to you? I'm more into sounds than images.

At the Camp Nou, when they start to squeeze you, to submit you, it's tremendous.

In those fields that fit so many people, when they catch you in a transition, you start to look... And you say to yourself: 'If there are five of us defending and three of them attacking'.

But they score a goal for you.

Because of the push of the public, because of its quality... I have a clear memory of how the Camp Nou sounds.

The third goal was scored by me [a header to the squad in the 95th minute].

He didn't even get out of midfield.

When I have faced these big teams I have always had the feeling of suffering, suffering and suffering.

They're very good. What does the Camp Nou transmit to you? I'm more into sounds than images.

At the Camp Nou, when they start to squeeze you, to submit you, it's tremendous.

In those fields that fit so many people, when they catch you in a transition, you start to look... And you say to yourself: 'If there are five of us defending and three of them attacking'.

But they score a goal for you.

Because of the push of the public, because of its quality... I have a clear memory of how the Camp Nou sounds.

The third goal was scored by me [a header to the squad in the 95th minute].

He didn't even get out of midfield.

When I have faced these big teams I have always had the feeling of suffering, suffering and suffering.

They're very good. What does the Camp Nou transmit to you? I'm more into sounds than images.

At the Camp Nou, when they start to squeeze you, to submit you, it's tremendous.

In those fields that fit so many people, when they catch you in a transition, you start to look... And you say to yourself: 'If there are five of us defending and three of them attacking'.

But they score a goal for you.

Because of the push of the public, because of its quality... I have a clear memory of how the Camp Nou sounds.

What does Camp Nou transmit to you? I'm more into sounds than images.

At the Camp Nou, when they start to squeeze you, to submit you, it's tremendous.

In those fields that fit so many people, when they catch you in a transition, you start to look... And you say to yourself: 'If there are five of us defending and three of them attacking'.

But they score a goal for you.

Because of the push of the public, because of its quality... I have a clear memory of how the Camp Nou sounds.

What does Camp Nou transmit to you? I'm more into sounds than images.

At the Camp Nou, when they start to squeeze you, to submit you, it's tremendous.

In those fields that fit so many people, when they catch you in a transition, you start to look... And you say to yourself: 'If there are five of us defending and three of them attacking'.

But they score a goal for you.

Because of the push of the public, because of its quality... I have a clear memory of how the Camp Nou sounds.

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