Despite the disturbed political relations and the lack of a majority of the coalition in the Senate, outgoing Minister of Finance and CDA leader Wopke Hoekstra is confident that 'his' budget for next year will receive broad support in parliament.

He says that in an interview on Prinsjesdag to

"Support", "support" and "hope" seem to be Hoekstra's magic words on Prinsjesdag.

He will have to do everything in his power to guide the cabinet plans through both Houses.

The minister, who is also trying to make a formation attempt on behalf of the CDA between the budget negotiations, thinks that this year will not be different from previous times.

"There has not been a summer or autumn in which I have not had much contact with parties about the budget."

To what extent is this budget still in the ground?

"I am happy that we are taking significant steps with a number of things that in my view could not wait. We are structurally renovating things for billions."

"We will spend almost 7 billion euros on climate measures in the coming years, 0.5 billion will go structurally to safety, 1 billion to the housing market in ten years, 0.25 billion to purchasing power. That is a lot of money for a caretaker cabinet."

"If parties start to form, there will undoubtedly be interventions for next year. That is also possible. VVD MP Sophie Hermans makes a round of all parties that are open to a discussion about the budget. We are in close contact with each other."

This budget requires a bit more political flexibility than usual, because there is no majority in the Senate and because the mutual relations between the middle parties have cooled down quite a bit.

You have to work.

"I am pleased that this was successful. We have to look for broad support in the first place. Every year we negotiate with various parties about parts of the budget. Last year that was with GroenLinks and PvdA about the housing plans and with SP, SGP and 50PLUS about nitrogen. ."

GroenLinks and PvdA do not want to negotiate behind the scenes.

They have already put their wish list online.

Smiling: "I think it is wise to give Sophie Hermans a chance to see if we can get something done together."

"I hope that parties in the broad political center - and as far as I am concerned also outside it - can unite on major themes, such as climate, tax reduction, security and the housing market. I hope for broad support in the next few days."

It is clear that mutual trust in the House has fallen to a low point.

On what do you base that it will still be okay?

"You have to distinguish between two things. Firstly, to my impatience, the formation also takes longer than expected. On the other hand, we are making significant additional expenditures on climate, housing and security. I have the cautious hope that these measures can be broadly supported. calculate."

Two years ago you said that the middle class is the backbone of society.

We see that this group is hit hard by the housing shortage and is


with a student debt


What has this cabinet done for this group?

"We have earmarked tens of billions for corona support on an unprecedented scale. It is precisely people from the middle class that have been able to keep their jobs."

"It is not for nothing that we will spend 1 billion euros extra over the next ten years to build additional homes. But of course much more is needed."

"I am also not telling you anything new that as a CDA leader I am keen to ensure that everyone can study. Regardless of what your parents earn. That is something you have to arrange at the formation table."

In your foreword to the million dollar bill, you write that the economy is doing better than expected.

Have you underestimated the resilience of the economy?

"If you've spent $80 billion on emergency aid, lost a year of economic growth and global debt has grown, it's hard to say it wasn't that bad."

"But indeed, there were darker scenarios possible. If this had been on the table last year, I would have signed for it blindly."

There is a budget, but at the same time, preparations have been made for months and the VVD has to visit other parties to make an inventory of the wishes.

How would you describe this situation?

"I hope that peace returns to some extent in political The Hague and that we all manage to find a way in the formation. That requires responsibility from everyone, including myself. Once we are seated at the table, I have hope that it will also go relatively quickly."

"I am optimistic about the prospects for the economy, employment and the position of employees and entrepreneurs. Overall, it looks very solid financially and economically. That gives room to the forming parties."