[Political Show] Jo Eung-cheon "Na Gyeong-won, caught in a single-handed out... political life crisis even if he does not run"

- Lee Jae-myung is likely to insist on the unfairness of the investigation in the photo line

- Prosecutors are likely to prosecute but choose non

-custodial - Accompany the leadership, only strengthen the 'no bulletproof frame'

- Satire display?

Conflict only erupts, does not help the national tide - It

is twice as bad as during the National Party Convention, '

Truthful Judge' - Hope for Yoon, competition regresses, but 'thank you' to the Democratic Party...

- Na Kyung-won, a foreigner…

It 's a problem if you run, more problems if you don't

■ Broadcast: SBS Kim Tae-hyun's political show (FM 103.5 MHz 7:00 ~ 9:00)

■ Date: January 10, 2023 (Tuesday)

■ Progress: Lawyer Kim Tae -hyun

■ Appearance: Jo Eung-cheon together Democratic Party lawmaker

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Music is amazing.

Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show Tuesday Part 2 Time for Judge Cho Chung-cheon to clearly solve complicated and confusing political issues is back.

Political show judge, Democratic Party Rep. Cho Eung-cheon has been invited.

Senator, hello.

▶Joeungcheon: It's been a while.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Congressman, today's topic is about issues within the Democratic Party that may be difficult for you to talk about, but at the end, there is also a story about the People's Power National Convention that you are comfortable talking about, so we will continue to ask you all.

▶Jo Eung-cheon: Let's go quickly.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Today, at 10:30, Lee Jae-myung, the representative of the Democratic Party, is present at the prosecution service.

If you say you're going to hit the photo line today, do you think CEO Lee Jae-myeong's style will just go in, or do you think he'll say something and go in?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: It is known now that they said a word and went in, and there was a triangle marked like this in front of Seongnam Office.

It looks like you have installed Photoline.

Perhaps the Seongnam FC case has already been dismissed.

It's a closed case, but the prosecution is forced to reveal it again, it's a retaliatory investigation.

Also, this is what all the heads of organizations across the country are doing, and if judicial treatment is done in this way, they will not be able to do their jobs, do you think?

And again, these days, I agree with that.

Why don't you look sideways at the obvious serious crimes of the president's family, such as the Deutsche Motors case?

Why are you doing such a selective investigation?

Is the prosecution right fair?

Neglecting state affairs and trying to kill the opposition party, the Yoon Seok-yeol government will not succeed.

would you say something like that?

▷Kim Tae-hyun: First of all, it is said that the prosecution has its own evidence, and Lee Jae-myung, CEO, seems to deny it, and two days after the summons investigation today?

They said they were holding a New Year's press conference on the 12th, but the media evaluated this as a counter-fire operation to catch the New Year's public sentiment ahead of the Lunar New Year's.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: Well, the period is too far away to catch public sentiment on the Lunar New Year.

Lunar New Year starts on the 21st and falls on the 12th, so it's about 10 days away.

It seems that there must be something more in the middle to catch the public sentiment for the Lunar New Year, and I think CEO Lee Jae-myung will want to make a deal with what came out after being investigated today and turn the issue into public welfare.

They'll keep wanting to talk about it, and reporters keep asking about the incident...

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Seongnam FC or Daejang-dong will ask.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: I will continue to ask about the case and judicial risk, and I think so.

▷Kim Tae-Hyun: Anyway, the prosecution said about three options after seeing the media reports.

One was indicted in detention, the second was indicted without detention, and the third was investigated all the way to Daejang-dong and then dealt with at once.

There have been stories like this, but since you have been prosecutors for a long time, what form do you think the prosecution will take in the current atmosphere of the prosecution in the eyes of Rep. Cho Eung-cheon?

▶ Cho Eung-cheon: First of all, we are legally confronting the Seongnam FC case.

▷Kim Tae-hyeon: The third-party bribery is too much.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: That's right.

Legally, it is so tight, so I am doing it from the standpoint of the prosecution.

If so, it will greatly affect the investigation of other blacksmiths and other cases.

That would be a huge disaster.

There will be no way not to consider that risk.

So if I were a prosecutor, I'd probably exclude that from the choice a bit.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Excluding issuing a warrant, for now.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: Since the trial of Doosan and the people involved in this case is already in full swing, if considering the trial, I think that the trial should proceed together, so I think it will be indicted without detention.

▷Kim Taehyung: I know.

I saw it today.

Since CEO Lee Jae-myung is not attending with a lawyer, it means that the Democratic Party leadership members are going, and the Democratic Party's pro-name lawmakers are going, and they call them dog daughters.

Even the supporters of Lee Jae-myung say they are going together. How do you see this way of appearing?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: Well, the party representative said that it was not good for him to go out alone, so he followed him all the way like this to cheer him up.

Dogs and daughters, we can't do anything about it.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Because they are voluntary supporters.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: That's out of the question.

The party leadership is not humanly incomprehensible from the standpoint of seeing each other face to face every day.

However, the problem now is that the bulletproof frame of the ruling party started to work from the time Lee ran for Gyeyang.

▷Kim Tae-hyeon: I will continue to talk about it, the ruling party.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: It's been over 10 months.

It's been a year now.

It's bulletproof no matter what.

All bulletproof, all bulletproof.

Then, each time, we will come together again as a single team.

You've been doing that all along.

Then, this act now strengthens the bulletproof frame.

But now, even if we open an extraordinary National Assembly, we are bulletproof, and we are bulletproof no matter what we do.

Then every time, we have to give an alibi that this is not Bangtan.

But that's getting more and more difficult.

The case of Noh Woong-rae was also rejected.

So, no matter how vain the Yoon Seok-yeol government is and no matter how ugly the ruling party is doing right now before the party convention, the fact that the fault does not come back to us is that we are unable to escape from the bulletproof frame.

Even if you give an alibi, you don't believe it anymore.

Going out like this today is going to get more and more difficult now, no matter how much the people who say, look at me, look at me, try to give me an alibi.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: In the past, it is common for lawmakers to appear for prosecution investigations even during the opposition party, and at that time, several lawmakers went together.

why?

It's an individual problem, and you shouldn't transfer this to the Democratic Party's problem, they argued to this effect.

What do you think of Park Ji-won's story?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: In principle, I agree.

Members of Congress went together because they were close to each other, so they told them to cheer up, so they followed them and did so.

▷Kim Tae-Hyun: It's common to see such appearances, actually.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: But now, in the case of CEO Lee, it is oppression of the opposition party.

Doesn't that mean that we should all stand as one and stand against it?

But asking to stand up is directly related to bulletproof.

So, all the rights and opportunities given by the law continue to be used.

Isn't that how it is now?

So, as I said before, as the 1st opposition party, we are still in charge of one round of state affairs, but in order for Korea to run properly, we have to play our role, and to play our role, we must be properly evaluated by the people and serve as the 1st opposition party. I have to do everything.

Because of the bulletproof frame now, no matter how much I do, I can't get that evaluation.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Then, do you agree with the argument that the party and individual issues should be separated?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: I kept talking about that.

▷Kim Taehyung: I know.

What the congressman always says is that CEO Lee Jae-myeong should actively come forward with regard to judicial risks.

You keep saying that the party and the individual should be separated, but when we ask the so-called pro-Myeong lawmakers when we invite them for an interview, there is such a story, but it is a minority and most of the party lawmakers, led by Lee Jae-myeong, are strongly against the Yoon Seok-yeol government. Many people say that we have to fight as a single team.

However, recently, Rep. Jae-myeong Lee and Rep. Jung Seong-ho, who is called the chairman of the pro-myung-gye group who has been with him for 35 years, also mentioned similar stories to Rep. Eung-cheon Cho, to the effect that the Democratic Party should be separated.

Is there some kind of crack in the pro-myung system?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: It wasn't that Congressman Jung Sung-ho did it directly with On-Microphone.

Yes?

▷Kim Tae-hyun: That's right.

Reportedly known.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: From what I've heard, it's not that clear, and the claim to respond to separation isn't wrong, I know that much.

I know that the position has not changed in particular.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Then, those who still speak like Congressman Cho are a minority of the Democratic Party, and the majority of the mainstream is this trend that the party must break through by uniting around Representative Lee Jae-myung, yet?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: The fact that we have to stick together is not really Congressman Jung Sung-ho.

However, if you are asking about the distribution of power, few people in the party clearly state their position that they must unite or respond separately.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Rather.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: It is a minority.

It's on both ends.

The vast majority of them are very concerned about the current situation and are not speaking out.

There are many who are silent.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Rather, you are saying that during the general election or presidential election, the same distribution is seen when it is said that people who are quiet in the middle, not fierce supporters on both sides, decide the winner or loser.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: Yes.

So, the leadership and officials are a single rank, and I and a few people speak clearly, and when we actually talk, there are many people who sympathize with both sides, but anyway, the majority of people do not explicitly talk.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Then, no one knows how the trial will go with the investigation of Lee Jae-myeong or the prosecution's investigation.

Are you saying that a number of silent lawmakers in the middle may move to one side depending on the path or outcome?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: When clear evidence emerges or when judicial procedures make significant progress, then the situation changes a lot.

▷Kim Taehyung: I see.

Let me ask you about this, Senator.

It was a story yesterday, wasn't there an exhibition at the National Assembly?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: It almost happened.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: It almost happened.

I tried to open an exhibition outside, and several lawmakers from the Democratic Party co-hosted it in the lobby on the second floor of the National Assembly Building.

However, the content was probably a picture that satirized President Yoon Seok-yeol and First Lady Kim Kun-hee, but it was demolished by Lee Kwang-jae, Secretary General of the National Assembly.

Should we call what happened yesterday a happening?

How are you seeing this?

Exhibition.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: The organizers protested harshly at the House of Commons, asking why the most basic freedom of expression was not recognized.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Rep. Min Hyung-bae protested so strongly.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: Freedom of expression is acknowledged.

great.

However, I understand that the National Assembly is basically a place that brings conflicts to the streets and plazas and melts them down like a melting pot through dialogue and compromise.

However, now, this act can be an act of erupting conflict in the National Assembly if you try to reverse it anyway.

So, it can go in a way that does not fit the original mission of the National Assembly.

Why in 2017, Rep. Chang-Won Pyo.

▷Kim Tae-hyeon: Former President Park Geun-hye.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: Nude painting, it became a problem again, and is the duty suspended?

That's it.

In particular, I heard somewhere that the exhibition of this work was done to criticize and satirize the fact that the government did not take responsibility for the 10.29 disaster. I am a member of the government investigation committee.

In fact, it is difficult to lead the government investigation into the 10.29 disaster.

In other words, the government is very uncooperative and irresponsible.

And the ruling party is actually trying to amplify this and make it a problem if there is a problem.

However, if this had become an actual exhibition, the expert public hearing scheduled for today would not have been held.

Right now the date is only until the 17th.

If you can't do it today, you can't do it forever.

The system needs to be improved, but when?

So, we need to do a government investigation quickly.

No, and everything is victim-centered, but would the families of the victims want an exhibition like this?

I would like to tell you that.

▷Kim Taehyung: I know.

Let's change the issue a bit.

I'm going to talk about the power of the people. When I was talking about the Democratic Party earlier, I remember that Congressman Jo Eung-cheon said that strange things were happening at the People's Power National Convention. Which part do you find strange?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: When I became CEO Lee Jung-hyun in 2016, I felt a little similar to that time.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: At that time?

I can't remember if it was after the tablet PC came out, or if it was before that.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: So, right before the impeachment, probably.

It's such a difficult time right now, but we need someone who will become one with the president and prevent this.

That's why I appealed for the support of very hardline party members, and that's why it happened.

If you look at those who have come out as party runners now, how much trouble did we have to play separately from the president and Yongsan?

One heart, one mind, let's go together.

Only then can the general election be won, and he speaks such words openly.

Another one was the pro-Park discriminators in 2016.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: During the general election.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: Right before Narsha with the royal seal at that time.

▷Kim Tae-hyeon: A true-bak testimonial.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: True Park Distinguisher.

But it seems to be twice as bad as that.

Have you ever noticed the president like this in a conservative party, during the party convention?

The president officially says, "I'm not involved in party affairs," but after "the CEO is shooting internally," and this comes up as a text message, he doesn't seem to care much about it.

So, it seems that the party runners are completely going to the race to hope for Yunsim.

Then, the public will say, "Yes, the ruling party representative should be loyal to the president, unite the ruling party with the vanguard organization in Yongsan, and make it to the Yeouido branch office. It is desirable that such a person become the ruling party representative. Shall we drive it? If that happens, the Democratic Party is such a regressive figure, thank you.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: But people say these things in the power of the people.

Since the number of members of the party is so small, it seems that the power of the people is saying that it is more difficult to divide if you have to match the code with the president at the beginning of the administration.

▶Cho Eung-cheon: There are 100 people, but what is a small number and rather a lot, so if you can't see it at a glance, you can play separately. How do you play separately?

It seems to me that the front and back are completely inconsistent.

▷Kim Taehyung: I see.

Do you expect Na Kyung-won to run or not to run?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: I think I was caught in the middle of the day, but it seems that it is a problem even if I run now, and it is a problem even if I do not.

But if you don't run, it seems to be more of a problem.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Why is that?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: Will political life be maintained?

Before, anyway, the 21st general election, the Seoul mayoral race.

You lost the party representative three times in a row.

This time, it was the fourth time that it was folded due to the power of Yongsan, so it would be difficult to promise the future.

So this time, somehow break through and show me a meaningful process.

▷Kim Tae-Hyun: Even if you don't become the party representative?

▶Cho Eung-cheon: Yes, I think you can show the process.

▷Kim Taehyung: I see.

Let's do it here.

Judge Cho Cheong-cheon was a member of the Democratic Party's Democratic Party, Cho Eung-cheon.

Senator, thank you for coming out today.

▶Jo Eung-cheon: Thank you.

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