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■ Broadcast: SBS Kim Tae-hyeon's Political Show (FM 103.5 MHz 9:05 ~ 11:00)

■ Host: Kim Tae-hyun Attorney

■ Broadcast Date: June 28, 2022 (Thu)

■ Appearance: Democratic Party Rep

. Hwang Un-ha - Necessity for Police Control I agree

- but it's dangerous for the Minister of Public Administration and Security to control it

- The advisory committee has also rushed to the pro-prosecutor's

office - Applying the relationship between the Ministry of Justice-Prosecution and the Ministry of Security and Public Administration-Police?

Simple Ignorance

- Don't run for Lee Jae-myung?

We need to guarantee everyone a chance to run

- Democrats need Lee Jae-myung's leadership


▷Kim Tae-hyun: Kim Tae-hyun's political show's political show Invitation to the 4th part of the political show Tuesday We're the toughest time.

Minister of the Interior and Safety Lee Sang-min announced that he would create a new police department within the Ministry of Public Administration and Security.

The protests within the police are not uncommon.

There, Kim Chang-ryong, chief of the National Police Agency, announced his intention to resign with one month remaining in office.

In this regard, I will talk with Rep. Hwang Un-ha of the Democratic Party of Korea, who is a former police officer.

The phone is connected.

Senator, are you with me?

▶Hwang Woon-Ha : Hello.

▷Kim Taehyung: Hello.

There were two very important events for the police yesterday, in the morning.

First, did you watch the press conference of Minister of Public Administration and Security Lee Sang-min?

▶Hwang Woon-Ha : Yes.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: You have served as a police officer for over 30 years.

He even served as the head of the Ulsan National Police Agency, but from the perspective of a police officer, how do you view the establishment of a new police-related organization within the administration?

▶ Unha Hwang: In a word, it is an anti-constitutional and anti-the rule of law idea that is a revival of the security headquarters during the military dictatorship and leads to the political enslavement of the police.

It is defined as a return to the past and a regression.

I am aware of that.

In the past, the police have gone through such times as the Ministry of Home Affairs, the Public Security Bureau, and the Security Headquarters.

At this time, there was such a mistake that the police were subordinated to political power and failed to maintain neutrality.

Therefore, it is desirable to make the National Police Agency independent and to control the affairs of the police through the Police Commission.

That's why it has such a historicity by removing the affairs related to public security from the affairs of the Minister of Public Administration and Security.

Minister Lee Sang-min did not fully understand this historicity, and within a short period of time, scholars who were pro-prosecutors and professors from the prosecution service.

So, people with very narrow views on the police organization, such people, formed an advisory committee or something, made these recommendations in a hurry, and held a press conference to accept them.

This is very worrisome.

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▷Kim Tae-hyun: Yesterday, when I heard about Minister Lee Sang-min, it was expressed like this, that the establishment of a police station within the Ministry of Public Administration and Security was abnormal, rather than the existing system, that is, the Blue House controlled the police with a security secretary under the chief of civil affairs at the time. What is your position on it?

▶ Unha Hwang: The greatest risk to the neutrality of the police is when the police are under the Minister of the Interior.

So, when you were under the Minister of Public Administration and Security, in the past, the Minister of the Interior.

It is said that the Blue House also directly controlled the police through the chief civil affairs office or the security secretary. It's an abbreviation.

It is true that the Senior Civil Affairs Office has been managing personnel in powerful institutions such as the police, prosecutors, and the National Intelligence Service.

However, direct control of police work, as if the Minister of Public Administration and Security created a new police department to directly control the police, the fact that the chief civil affairs office directly controlled the police is such an error that the chief civil affairs office did not properly understand the work.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: It's the same investigative agency, but isn't there a prosecutor and a police in Korea?

Prosecutors control personnel through the Ministry of Justice's Prosecutor's Office. What's the problem with having a police station or a police office in the Ministry of Public Administration and Security just like the Prosecutor's Office in the Ministry of Justice?

▶Woon-Ha Hwang: There is such an opinion.

First of all, what is most of the work of the Ministry of Justice?

Prosecutor's office, prosecutor's office.

Most of the work of the Ministry of Justice is prosecution work.

That's why the law makes the Minister of Justice as the chief overseer of the prosecution's affairs.

It is also stipulated by law so that the Minister of Justice can direct and supervise the prosecution.

This is stipulated in the Government Organization Act and the Public Prosecutor's Office Act.

However, in the Government Organization Act and the Prosecution Act, there is no public security in the affairs under the jurisdiction of such ministers, and the Minister of Public Administration and Security does not have rules for commanding and supervising the Commissioner of the National Police Agency.

Why is this?

This should not be applied to the relationship between the Ministry of Justice and the prosecution and the relationship between the Ministry of Public Administration and Security and the police.

Therefore, the relationship between the Ministry of Justice and the Prosecutor's Office should not be directly applied to the relationship between the Ministry of Public Administration and Security and the Police.

It is, after all, a simple, ignorant idea to say that it is not just something similar.

The purpose of the prosecution is that the neutrality and independence of the prosecution can be secured only when the prosecution has monopolized the right to investigation, prosecution, and warrant request while controlling the prosecution in a way that controls abuse of power by electoral power. Minister of the Interior, as in the past.

By keeping the distance from here, the neutrality and independence of the police were secured.

This is a historical lesson.

That is why they are stipulated differently in the Government Organization Act, the Public Prosecutor's Office Act, and the Police Act, respectively.

Isn't this the same thing as the Justice-Prosecutor's Office, the Ministry of Security and Public Administration-Police without understanding this historical context?

That's how I made a mistake.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: The so-called overhaul or adjustment of the police and police investigation powers If such a bill is passed, is it not true that the police's authority has become more bloated than ever before?

Therefore, there seems to be an opinion like this, that some degree of control must be entered.

▶Woon-Ha Hwang: This is a valid statement.

The Minister of Public Administration and Security has strengthened this idea even more because the bill is being passed. He said this.

First of all, the Minister of Public Administration and Security should not say that he is a thoroughbred.

The expression "excuse me" is a frame from the media or some people's power side, and the expression of "excuse me" is an expression that the Democratic Party has never claimed or used.

A minister who is a minister should not use the expression of scrutiny and perfection in this way.

Then, in those remarks, the Inspection and Destruction Act was passed, so now I have to take a look at the National Police Agency, a kind of anger.

This misunderstanding can arise.

Of course, it is reasonable to point out that the authority over the police has become more bloated, so no one opposes the control over the police.

But the control method is the problem, and the subject is the problem.

The subject of control, the mode of control.

It shouldn't be the Minister of Public Administration and Security.

This is the lesson of history.

The police were at their greatest risk when they were under the Ministry of Public Administration and Security.

▷Kim Taehyung: I see.

Let me ask you something about the party.

There was a Democrat workshop over the weekend.

There, I saw that there were also bitter voices about running for the National Assembly of Rep. Jae-myung Lee from the National Assembly and the Association to which you belong.

There were reports like this, how was the atmosphere?

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▶Woon-Ha Hwang: First of all, it is not a group that supports or opposes a specific politician.

The Like Council has only the values ​​that the Democratic Party must successfully complete the reform task and that the Democratic Party must achieve good integration and innovation, thereby restoring the public's trust. It's not about having a position.

Many lawmakers in the workshop said that those responsible for the presidential and branch elections need time to reflect, so I hope they don't come out this time.

You said a lot of these opinions.

Also, it is true that there have been comments saying that if Rep. Jae-myung Lee runs for office, it might be seen as a factional fight, so he should not run for office.

I understand that this is loyalty from the heart to save the party.

But the bottom line is, I think everyone should be guaranteed a chance to run, regardless of what faction, what generation, responsibility, or player.

That's the only way to save the Democrats.

I see it that way.

▷Kim Tae-hyeon: Then, do you see Assemblyman Lee Jae-myung's candidacy positively?

▶Woon-Ha Hwang: I won’t come out, so don’t come either. If you don’t come, I won’t go either.

For this kind of thing, people in senior or leadership positions in the party should talk about the party's future vision. I won't come out, so don't come out.

It is difficult for me to agree with this statement.

▷Kim Tae-hyun: Then, Assemblyman Lee Jae-myung, Assemblyman Hong Young-pyo, Assemblyman Jeon Hae-cheol, and former Vice Chairman Park Ji-hyeon, and Park Yong-jin all came out in the 1970s and it seems that Kim Min-seok was also running for office.

▶Hwang Woon-Ha: That's right.

I think that's the only way to save the party.

I think it is necessary for the unity of the party as well.

There are opinions that Rep. Jae-myung Lee should not run for office, but I think that opinions should be listened to as valuable opinions.

However, if the leadership of the party is needed in a crisis situation, and if Lee Jae-myung cannot establish leadership properly now, if the leadership does not lead the party properly and achieve integration and innovation properly, party members worry that they will be defeated in the general election two years later. It's a lot.

There are many legislators.

So both opinions are valid.

In such a situation, don't come out looking at either side. I don't think it fits with the spirit of the Democratic Party.

The spirit of the Democratic Party is that, like the Democratic Party, everyone should have the opportunity to run for office without any restrictions, I think.

▷Kim Taehyung: I see.

Today, with Rep. Hwang Un-ha of the Democratic Party of Korea, we discussed everything from police issues to issues within the Democratic Party.

Today, Senator, I will end it here.

Next time we will take you to the studio.

thank you

(Photo = Yonhap News)

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