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■ Host: Joo Young-jin anchor
■ Conversation: Ahn Cheol-soo, National Power Member
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"CEO of the party? It's not that you want it, it's that the people give you qualifications if you work hard.
" I will do my best and get recognition from the people."
"I never spoke harsh words to CEO Lee Jun-seok… I'm sorry I didn't have a chance to talk."
"For the spirit of unity, I agreed to recommend the top committee two months ago… I don't have a party seat, but it's not overturned."
"The people's power is also factional politics." It should be taken as a lesson from the harms of the government"
"Politics for the purpose of gaining power leads to factional fights"
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The people's power does not have a view on nukes
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He did not deviate from centrist pragmatic politics."
"This election was the first bilateral confrontation... it was meaningful"
"I strongly recommend the transition committee member who draws the state painting"
"I think the minister does not need to stick to the recommendation, I respect the sculpture"
"There are people who fight even when the tsunami is coming"
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Unlike other countries, Korea has expanded fiscal...
Korea is the most economically dangerous country among OECD countries…Government and party should be nervous"
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▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Are there names that come up without missing a day when you watch the politicians?
You, too, will probably remember a few names.
Perhaps this person is definitely one of them.
Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo, People's Strength, has arrived.
welcome.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Strength Rep.: How are you?
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: It's a bit late now, but congratulations.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: Thank you.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: How many years has it been since you came back to Yeouido?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo / People's Power Rep.: I have no memory of leaving.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: How many years has it been since you wore the National Assembly badge again?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: It seems to have been about 5 years, but after that, I was not a member of the National Assembly, but I continued as the party representative.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: This election, you must have calmly looked back on it a lot.
What kind of election was it?
Of course, he was running as a member of the local constituency, but the overall results of the local elections came out and there was an analysis of the overall results.
▶ Cheol-soo Ahn / Rep. of People's Power: First of all, let's talk about the local elections, let's give strength to the government that is inaugurated for the first time.
So, let's secure the driving force for necessary reforms.
I think maybe that's not the kind of consensus.
And personally, this by-election is less than 10 years in my politics.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: That’s right.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power: I can't believe it because I first started on September 19, 2012.
It seems like it's been 30 years, but it's been less than 10 years, but it's the first bilateral election.
I've always done all elections like 3-way, 4-way, 5-way, independent.
Do you think it has any meaning in that sense?
I think so.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: It has been less than 10 years since he started politics in earnest, but many people don't think that Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo has been in politics for a long time?
▶ Cheol-soo Ahn / Rep. of People's Power: Probably because he has been at the center of politics for 10 years.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Ahn Cheol-soo 10 years ago and Ahn Cheol-soo 10 years later, have they changed?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/Rep. of People's Strength: The original intention has not changed at all.
When I first started politics, I thought that politics is 'service for the public good', and it is still the same today.
However, if there is anything I have accumulated over the past 10 years, it is a very diverse experience.
And haven't you been in Zone 3 again?
Yet he survived.
Someone said that.
In that way, 'the greatest competitiveness in Korean politics is survival', it means that competitiveness is very strong.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Survival is competitiveness.
That sounds like a very meaningful word.
Yes.
Election is an election, and if you run for it, you have to win it and people will remember it.
Of course, people who record meaningful defeats will also be remembered by the people.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: Defeat with principle is important.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: This time, Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo was originally from Nowon, Seoul.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: Yes.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: The constituency has been moved to Bundang, Seongnam, Gyeonggi-do.
In the process, of course, there were requests and demands from the party, and there were also decisions of the person himself, but there must have been concerns.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/Rep. of People's Strength: Actually, the worries were not so great.
As for why, didn't I say that I would do the administration after the first unification?
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: That’s right.
▶ Cheol-soo Ahn / Rep. of People's Power: The administration I was talking about at that time was the presidential transition committee.
Wouldn't it be possible to take a look at the general state of affairs and organize them properly, and then reflect not only what President Yun Seok-yeol thought, but also my policies?
But along the way, a lot of stories came out.
I thought I was going to become prime minister.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: That’s right.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/Rep. of People's Strength: Or he would go to the Gyeonggi governor again, but that was what he was saying without knowing it.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: At that time, the reporters and Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo talked like that, so I want to do administrative work.
I've tried everything else.
So, of course, you can imagine talking about the Prime Minister, Ministers, and Governors of Gyeonggi Province.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/Rep. of People's Power: But in order to do that, you must not be the transition chairperson.
Because I have to declare my candidacy exactly halfway through the transition committee and prepare for a hearing or campaign, I have to quit the transition chairperson.
Until now, there has been no person in history who has resigned as the transition chairperson halfway through, right?
So that was virtually impossible from the start.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Then why do you talk to reporters like that, reporters?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: I thought that was common sense.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Common sense.
So, after the reporters heard about it, all the reporters did that, and I also broadcast here, and Ahn Cheol-soo, chairman of the transition committee, said that he wanted to run the administration.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: The convergence of administration is the transition chairperson.
It's not that simple.
In fact, don't you have any promises during the election?
It is the process of making it a national task now, but it is not a simple task.
First of all, it is not a simple task, as it is the process of making these promises into such a feasible and sustainable national task under such a broad framework after arranging the overall task of the times and thinking about the global environment.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: I’m talking now, but it was the transition chairperson who said that Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo wanted to try administration.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/Rep. of People's Power: It is possible to apologize to the Prime Minister if I say this almost like this, but the intensity of work is probably the same for one year as the prime minister and two months as the transition chairperson.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: It is not easy to sort out government tasks for five years because the two-month transition period is actually being conducted and evaluated for five years.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: Yes.
And don't you have to draw a picture properly the first time, then it can be put into practice properly so that the Republic of Korea succeeds and the people succeed?
So I thought it was really important to draw for the first time.
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▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: I don't know if the screen is a little ready when Rep. Ahn Cheol-Soo is campaigning.
I would like Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo to talk while watching a certain data screen during the election campaign.
At that time, he was wearing a red jumper, and to be honest, it was a little strange at first.
Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo was so, so when we looked all the way through, there were quite a few different colors of the jumpers we were wearing.
First of all, there was the People's Party in green and orange, right?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: That is the second color of the People's Party.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Anyway, there was a time when we had politics together again in the Democratic Party, now the Democratic Party that uses blue, and in this way, Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo moved from the Democratic Party to the people’s power little by little, and in the meantime, the third politics, the third party You put great emphasis on the meaning of existence, but you joined the power of the people, which is now standing on the opposite side, not the Democratic Party, which is a huge party.
Politics may be something like that, but I think Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo will have a task to explain in the future.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo / People's Power Rep.: It's not difficult for me.
Why did you say that you had the same initial intentions?
And also, those political thoughts have not changed.
The contents of the book 'The Thoughts of Ahn Cheol-soo', which I wrote 10 years ago, are almost the same and have hardly changed.
And in fact, isn't there some kind of spectrum, scope, to be a political party?
If you look at the Democratic Party, there is a left and a right even within the Democratic Party, and within the power of the people, there is a left and right, and there is a middle way.
I did not deviate from center-pragmatic politics.
So, regardless of party affiliation, the direction of any policy I have is the same. I can say that.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: As you said, another coincidental thing is that Kim Han-gil, who founded the New Politics Alliance for Democracy together with the Democratic Party at the time, is now with us again.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: Yes.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: That’s right.
Are they people who didn't fit in with the Democrats, how should I look at them?
▶ Cheol-soo Ahn / Rep. of People's Power: It's not like that.
Rather, I think that it is a harmful effect of factional politics.
So I think that the power of the people should always use it as a lesson.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Right now, such conflicts exist within the Democratic Party for a long time.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: Yes.
In fact, what do parties need and why do they exist?
Wouldn't that be representing the ideas of many people, taking power and putting them into practice?
Because that is the purpose, in reality, politics should be done looking at the people, but if the purpose is only to gain power, internal power struggles, it becomes a factional fight and division.
That was what the Democratic Party looked like in the past, and if you look at it now, those images remain.
So, maybe it won't be chosen by the people.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Since the power of the people has come, isn’t there such a thing as factional politics?
How are you?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo / Rep. of People's Power: The factional politics are not as fierce as the Democrats, but they do not gather well.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Rather?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: Yes.
If you can see such things, do you not even talk about study groups lately?
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Dandelion?
▶ Cheol-soo Ahn/Rep. of People's Strength: I don't have any ideas to make, but I think it's very desirable to gather together and share ideas in that way.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: It's been a while now.
At first, after the Yoon Seok-yeol government took office, the candidates for the minister were announced during the transition committee process, but there was no person recommended by Ahn Cheol-soo.
Isn't it?
So, you must be aware that there was talk about whether agreements and promises were broken at the time of unification.
▶ Cheol-soo Ahn / Rep. of People's Power: Probably, only the parties can know about the details.
However, what I argued most strongly was that I talked about the meaning that drawing is really important, and the people who draw the pictures are 24 commissioners.
So, I made a very strong argument that the people I recommend should be included in a certain part of the transition committee.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: The transition committee spoke strongly.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo / Rep. of People's Power: So, if you look at the transition committee now, the media analysis is not accurate, but roughly a third or more of the talents I recommended drew pictures together.
But then when you become a minister and now you become an executive, isn't that what you put into practice?
Then it doesn't have to be so insistent now.
If you look at it rather, don't you think that the first time the president first formed a cabinet is called a sculpture?
After that, if you change one or two people or make a big change, you will be reorganized, but when it comes to sculpture, if you become president for the first time, you must have your own dreams and drawings.
Then I was in the position that it was right for me to respect the sculpture.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: Did you share that story with the president as well?
As the chairman of the acquisition.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: I couldn't share details about sculpture and reorganization, but that's what I thought.
That's why I was so dissatisfied or didn't do it at all because I didn't make any recommendations about the results of the HR.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: After you were elected as a member of the National Assembly, have you ever had a conversation with President Yoon Seok-Yeol on a phone call or during a meal together to congratulate you?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: Yes, the day after I was elected, I got into a car wash and fell for a while while saying hello.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: That’s right.
At that time, we heard the same thing during the broadcast.
▶ Cheol-soo Ahn / Rep. of People's Power: What does that mean for sales?
In medical terms, it's called syncope.
It's not that serious of standing up for so long that blood rushes to your legs, causing you to blink like this for a few moments.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: When we were young, there are some students who fall down when they listen to the principal's instruction if we spend a lot of time looking up.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: Yes, it's similar.
Also, it was very hot that day.
Then, right in the evening, I was worried, so I called and said that it was okay, and then another white paper came out.
So now we have a white paper delivery ceremony and we meet again and talk and we have been like that.
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▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: A while ago, I asked a question about the recommendation of the first cabinet, and now you have explained it.
Now Ahn Cheol-soo came from the People's Party to recommend the highest member of the People's Power, so I asked him to exercise his right of recommendation as a representative.
Is this really a recommendation in line with the spirit of unity? Why did Rep. Jeong Jeong-sik of People’s Power ask for a recommendation for the People’s Party share? Why did he recommend National Power? do you recommend
This is against the spirit of unity. How would you respond?
Because you came out today, I asked the question myself.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: I will explain two things.
First of all, basically, the first thing is that this was agreed upon two months ago by the spirit of unity.
And about that.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: What do you think of the content that has been reached?
Did you agree on making a recommendation?
▶ Cheol-soo Ahn / Rep. of People's Power: It was agreed to make a recommendation.
Reviewing the person you recommend This is not an agreement.
So, if you think so, then wouldn't it be justifiable for me to have the authority to judge the top members of the People's Power again?
But I never asked for it.
It's about respecting the person who recommended each other.
And about that, it is a promise I made to the members of the Party, the chairman of the Party Association, and the people.
Now that I've done that, I've already made a recommendation a long time ago.
I don't really understand the fact that the story is coming out again now, but looking at it again, I don't have a job right now.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: That's right.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo / People's Power Rep.: At that time, I was the party leader, so I decided to make a recommendation.
Isn't that like retroactive legislation doesn't make sense?
I don't have any permission.
And the second thing I want to say is that the reason I recommended Representative Jeong-sik is simple.
If you look at the re-elected group there is no one on the Supreme Council right now.
But among the re-elected members of the group, he's the kind of person who has some kind of chairmanship.
So, if it's a healthy party, I recommended it because I thought that it would be much more desirable to have at least one person from the first- or multi-elected groups as well as the re-elected groups go there and speak up in terms of securing the diversity of the party.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Then how the hell is this problem tied up?
Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo made a recommendation according to the promise of the two of them, so we should appoint him as the Supreme Council member according to the promise at the time. Do you have this kind of thinking?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: That is the promise of the people, and the people will be watching it.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: However, Chairman Lee Jun-seok is strongly opposed and seems to be raising issues with both of them now, and floor leader Kwon Seong-dong is arbitrating. This will increase the so-called construction work because the garden will increase.
So, if Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo understands, only one person is appointed, and in the case of Rep. Jeong-sik Jeong, he is appointed later, or after a while, he also came up with an arbitration plan like this. What do you think of Rep. Ahn?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/Rep. of People's Strength: If that's the case, wouldn't that story have already come out two months ago?
In fact, it would be a shame for the party if they didn't check it beforehand.
And there were other people like that.
If you look closely at the constitutional rules of the party now, there are some who say that there is a way that you can not change it.
So maybe I can find a way to solve that too.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: You say that you might be able to find a solution, but CEO Jun-Seok Lee is always a bit aggressive, and Rep. Cheol-Soo Ahn says that this needs to be solved and continues to oppose it. How will it be resolved?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo / People's Power Rep.: I didn't create the problem, did I?
The person who created the problem should solve it.
I don't have any obligations to do that.
And, more than anything else, my country, especially now, has become the ruling party, isn't it?
So, unlike the opposition parties, the ruling party now becomes a political force responsible for the fate of the country.
But now, as you all over the world know, we are in a very dangerous situation right now.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: The economy is especially so.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/Rep. of People's Strength: I'm sure many of you have seen the movie 'Interstellar' in a movie.
We landed on some very calm and quiet planet.
But when I look back, I see a huge tsunami like the Everest Mountains coming like this.
But in the meantime, there are still people fighting.
Those people, of course, drowned and died, and those who managed to recover and manage well survived and escaped.
However, the situation that Korea is currently in is not favorable. In a global historical perspective, inflation is ruining the country and the government.
It's really dangerous.
However, as of now, countries such as the United States, Japan, and France have already finished their expansionary finances, and this year, they
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo / Rep. of People's Strength: About 15% of the budget has now entered austerity.
In addition, right now, Giant Step, didn't the interest rate rise by 0.75% today?
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: I foretold that I would upload the same amount again next month.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/Rep. of People's Power: That way, the probability of catching inflation is very high.
So, there are probably a lot of possibilities for overcoming the crisis, but many people should know now that Korea is the exact opposite.
What sets Korea apart from other countries is its expansionary finances.
Then, what is the problem with the expansionary finances is that even if the interest rate is raised here, raising the interest rate has no effect.
And inflation is not caught.
And what happens if we raise it even more? In Korea, household debt has already exceeded 100% of GDP, and these people can no longer afford interest.
Therefore, I believe that Korea is the most dangerous country among OECD countries, and the power of our people, the ruling party, is responsible for overcoming this.
And it is the government and the party leader who will be most nervous about that. I want to say that.
So what do you mean now?
There is one and two members of the Supreme Council, and this person can't, that person can't.
This is a very local issue, and how the Republic of Korea, which is in the most dangerous situation in the world, will be able to escape from the economic crisis.
I believe that there is no nun-nuclear view in the power of the people.
Rather, I believe that all lawmakers of the People's Power should become really key actors for the nation's nuclear power and for the people.
Only then can the power of the people succeed, the government succeeds, the people succeed, and the Republic of Korea succeeds.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: As expected, Rep. Ahn Cheol-soo spoke like the leader of the party, but the reporters do not know when it will be a year or more.
if you make it short.
▶ Cheol-soo Ahn / Rep. of People's Power: It's not something you want, isn't it the people who give you the qualifications if you work hard?
Through 10 years of experience, I have realized that it only happens when I do it, and that it does not happen because I am unconditionally greedy.
So, I think that I will do my best in the role that is currently assigned to me, so that I will be recognized by the people.
▷ Young-Jin Joo/Anchor: Isn’t it something you have to solve with CEO Jun-Seok Lee?
How is it that this is only seen as a conflict between the two of them in the eyes of the public?
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power: I have never said a stupid thing.
I'd rather be the last time?
Yesterday or the day before yesterday?
For the first time, I went to the general assembly with a comfortable mind without even wearing a tie, because it was a place to greet each other.
But again that day, what I really liked was that there was a lecture on semiconductors.
So I always listen from the beginning to the end and ask questions, but it is very unfortunate that CEO Lee Jun-seok left as soon as the lecture started, so we didn't have a chance to talk.
▷ Youngjin Joo/Anchor: I see.
This was an interview with Ahn Cheol-soo, a member of the People's Strength Council.
I really enjoyed listening to you today.
▶ Ahn Cheol-soo/People's Power Rep.: Thank you.
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