Christian Kullmann has also noticed that Frankfurt's Eintracht recently won the Europa League.

Frankfurt is exactly 1830 kilometers away from Seville, the chemistry president calculates for his audience in the Frankfurter Hof.

Now imagine an unbelievably long train, with the tip in Seville, the final venue, and the end in Frankfurt, and which has nothing else on board but natural gas.

"How long do you think this amount of gas would last for the German chemical industry?" His answer amazed the 60 or so entrepreneurs and politicians who were guests at the 108th business talks organized by the Frankfurt/Rhine-Main business initiative: just six hours.

Falk Heunemann

Business editor in the Rhein-Main-Zeitung.

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Kullmann, President of the Association of the Chemical Industry and CEO of Evonik Industries AG, Germany's second largest chemical company, wants to use this picture to illustrate the enormous importance of natural gas for his industry - and the threat to its existence that an embargo would pose for it.

"Without us there would be no lightweight construction, no electromobility and no wind turbines."

The fact that Kullmann, who as Evonik boss has his office in Essen, talks about it in his own pointed way at the "Business Talks on the Main" is due to his close connections to Frankfurt.

Not only did he work for Dresdner Bank on the Main for many years and even met his wife in the city.

The chemical association has its German headquarters in Frankfurt, the former pharmacy of the world.

In addition, Evonik employs several thousand people in the Rhine-Main region, including in Darmstadt and Hanau.

He calculates that there are half a million employees nationwide in the chemical industry, and with an average annual gross salary of EUR 80,000, they also pay a considerable amount into the tax and social security funds.

The chemical companies supplied ingredients and preliminary products for more than 90 percent of all goods that were produced in Germany.

"Without us there would be no lightweight construction, no electromobility and no wind turbines."

But the industry is being deprived of the air it needs to breathe or, more precisely, the gas it needs to work.

After Germany has already said goodbye to nuclear energy and coal, there is now also a discussion about whether gas deliveries from Russia should be stopped.

Kullmann emphasizes that gas is the backbone of energy supply.

"So calling for a gas embargo is not only unreasonable, it's also outrageous, and it hurts us in Europe." He reminded that Eastern European countries are almost completely dependent on Russian energy supplies.

At least, says Kullmann, this argument has reached politicians.

In the federal government, he reports in Frankfurt, a gas embargo is “currently off the table”, and the opposition leader and CDU chairman Friedrich Merz has also followed this line after talks.

The energy mix of the future

But how does he imagine the energy mix of the future, a listener asks him.

That depends on how quickly the expansion of storage technology and infrastructure progresses, Kullmann replies: 10,000 kilometers of energy lines still have to be laid through the republic.

"But with us, even a citizens' initiative in Bavaria can sue against wind turbines in the Baltic Sea," he criticizes.

If the energy transition is to succeed, it will only work if the rights of objection are significantly restricted.

Otherwise, he does believe that by 2030 “essentially” renewable energies would be used.

That's very optimistic.

"After all, being confident is my job."

"Business talks on the Main"

are an event organized by the Hotel Steigenberger Frankfurter Hof, the Business Initiative Frankfurt/Rhein-Main, Messe Frankfurt GmbH and the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.