Zarauz, 1954. Brother of the Count of Bornos -and brother-in-law, therefore, of

Esperanza Aguirre-

Íñigo Ramírez de Haro has published 'La mala sangre' (Ediciones B), in which he denounces fraud and misappropriation by the couple as a result of the sale of a Goya painting owned by the centennial lineage.

Why make a book about the aristocracy from within?

It is striking that in Spanish literature there is very little written about the aristocracy, there is very little tradition.

When, in reality, if you work you stop being an aristocrat and therefore many more things can happen to you.


What is the aristocracy?

The best simile of the aristocracy is to consider it a sect.

A sect that has been dominant in the history of Spain, but that in recent decades is probably on the way to extinction.

And perhaps it would even be necessary to ask the Government for a subsidy.


How does one discover that one is in a cult?


Because that implies a system of beliefs that when it begins to fail you discover that you were indeed educated to believe that you are the navel of the world.

And the reality is that you are an outcast.


And how did you get out of it?


The Jesuits declared me mentally retarded when I was 12 years old.

I ended up studying the hardest thing of all so they could see that maybe they were wrong.

This gave me a mentality that began to differ greatly from the sect, that of the noble satisfied that he lives by going hunting in the fall and playing golf in the summer.


Tell us more about the 'cult', please.


There is a paternalistic contempt for the people in general and hatred for the new rich, which is always the biggest nightmare for the aristocracy.

But I am not accepted in any other social class, because everyone considers me to be an aristocrat.

Then you get used to it and start living in a no man's land.

In Spain in particular we have a lot of heritage from the Inquisition that clearly marks the watertight compartments of what to live, what to do and what to be.


And what does the passage of time mean for the nobility?


The aristocracy lives looking to the past.

The future is always a strange world, a dangerous jungle and therefore you have to take refuge in the past.

In the case of my family, the first was the artilleryman of the Catholic Monarchs, Francisco Ramírez (1445-1501).

But the present generations are no longer as excellent as the etymology of the word indicates.


Since we're on historical topics, I wanted to ask his opinion on the 'revival' of the Black Legend.


It is a victimization in which the ills of Spain are all the fault of foreigners.

It is a completely nationalist and very reduced reading.

One of the misfortunes of all this type of myths is that they are poetic myths, of people who do not go to the facts, they do not go to study history with evidence and therefore they are used each time according to the determined interest.

In the case of the Black Legend, it is spliced ​​with Francoism and with all that imperial reading.

Ideologies are myths, religions are myths.

That is, it is very difficult to live without myths.

But those of us who believe in reason have to try to dismantle the myths and try to live in the realities.


And speaking of realities, what do you think of how Spain has reacted to the pandemic?


The most striking feeling when you compare, for example, anti-vaccines from other parts of the world with Spain is that there is an impressive level of obedience here.

Spain has been a very dominated country, very servile.

And precisely the Inquisition made it very clear that we must obey.

Because the Inquisition introduced denunciation and obedience.

And the one who 'gets out' is deleted.


Any more specific peculiarity?


What is striking is that a kind of growing political tension has been generated in Spain, which for me is new and surprising.

Because politics, as Aristotle already said, is simply a rationality, not a matter of feelings.

So if you think differently than I do, that's okay, we'll have a beer.

This return to the friend-enemy of Carl Schmitt, that if you think differently from me I just want to suppress you, is what produces fear.

And in my case, which leads me to exile myself.


Reality or fiction?


At the beginning of the book there is a phrase by Nabokov: "Only fiction tells the truth."

So, I get naked in this book.

I enter into an intimacy of mine, personal, in that of my living family and that of my family throughout the centuries.

And in the end it is a history of Spain of the last 500 years.


What is the crucial question about the disagreement with his brother?


How is it possible that a brother who is supposed to be a gentleman, a count, a great of Spain, president of the Puerta de Hierro club, can suddenly enter into avarice, greed, until he destroys a family.

My brother and I loved each other until my mother died and he refused to pay what he owed.

From there I began to investigate and it turns out that he had been cheating for seven years.

If he does this with his brothers, he misappropriates everything they have and there is that presumption of deceit for seven years, if he were a member of that club, I would be scared that he would be president.


What role does Esperanza Aguirre play in this story?


I tell an Esperanza Aguirre that nobody knows.

This socially self-conscious girl in whom this numbness before the aristocracy that occurred 30 or 40 years ago occurs.


That at the beginning.

And then?


As soon as Esperanza becomes president of the Community of Madrid, the couple believe they are the gods of Madrid and Spanish society.

So, all this that has happened with Goya's painting could not have happened if she had not been president of the Community of Madrid.


In what sense?


We have signs of patronage, signs of corruption, signs of tax fraud, signs of misappropriation that we ask the trial court to study and continue to study.

Faced with the appropriation of a painting that was not his, a donation is invented with a lawyer and a notary, which the evidence indicates is totally false.

It's also in my father's will.

That has no question.

But there are also indications of crime against historical heritage.

Because of course, she was Minister of Culture and was president of the community when this happened.

And, curiously, the Goya is bought by Villar Mir.

And there is an exhibition in London, two years later, at the Portrait Gallery about Goya and the painting I received was this one.

In other words, he is not a minor Goya.

There is a very clear law where it is stated that you have to declare a box like this,

which is no longer just individual, but belongs to all Spaniards.

Why isn't it declared to be of cultural interest?


Why is your sister-in-law still 'clean', legally speaking?


It is the big question.

I lived in Japan for four years and I can assure you that any director to whom what happened to Esperanza Aguirre happens - that everyone around him is in jail - commits 'seppuku' [ritual suicide].

Because the boss is responsible for what goes on below.

Well, in Spain it's the same.

And here we see a situation where the boss is irresponsible.

Who protects this lady?

Because it is clear that she is protected.

But of course, if you start digging around, all the powers appear.

And the feeling it gives is that in Spain the same ones always rule.

There are a number of people who don't really know why they don't fall, and everyone around them does.

And that, together with the 'law of silence', leads you to a mafia structure.

And this is the opposite of a democratic and transparent State.


Have you been scared facing your brother and sister-in-law?

More than when she premiered her work 'I shit on God'?


For a title that is nothing more than a popular exclamation -I have come to hear: "Fuck God, I'm late for mass"- and where you have to pay to go see the play, I received 3,300 complaints.

And that is very scary.

Before that you have two solutions.

One is to lock yourself in your private life.

And the other is the one I took: I'm not trying to confront power, but to explain it.



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