"They want to be called politicians in exile": Navalny's ex-ally Ilya Remeslo - on the prospects of a non-systemic opposition

- In your opinion, does FBK * still exist today as a single team?

- Navalny's team is now completely collapsed.

There are remnants of personnel who are not very valuable, which were left in Russia, and those who were more valuable were transported to Lithuania and Georgia.

Why didn't you do it earlier?

Yes, because Navalny was beneficial to a part of this government.

He, in fact, played the role of a cistern, which poured dirt on various competitors.

And when the cistern felt like something more than it is, when the six decided to become an ace, he was given to understand that this should not be done, and the whole structure was ruined.

- The top of the FBK left Russia, but continues to operate from the outside.

What to do about it?

- Volkov now travels openly, meets with anti-Russian politicians who openly call Russia an enemy.

Consults states in activities hostile to our country.

This forms the composition of Article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "High treason".

He would have been in any country in the world for a long time.

- Is there a chance to apply this article?

- If they continue such activities and provide our bodies with more and more new materials on participation in anti-Russian activities, ask to impose sanctions against Russia, I think that this article is not far off.

It's just that this is the most extreme case, this is such an atomic bomb on the opposition.

But if this continues, the decision will be made.

- Who makes this decision?

- Leadership of law enforcement agencies, as well as those structures that deal with this issue.

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- Why did Leonid Volkov, in fact, the second person in FBK, hide his international ties before, but now he seems to be doing it openly on purpose?

Is this a new tactic?

- This is a new stage.

They, in fact, do not care anymore.

They already understand that most of our population cannot be convinced.

Their ratings are falling.

A drop in several months by 12%.

Even according to polls by the foreign agent Levada Center **, the number of people who

 do not like

him (Navalny -

RT)

has increased

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And it can only get worse.

They no longer expect to come to power.

This is a struggle for money - they want to receive money in the West, report to their curators and call themselves politicians in exile.

- It turns out that the West is using Volkov and the others to interfere in our internal politics?

- Quite right.

And if this continues, it will be an unnecessary argument to open a criminal case under the article “Treason”.

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Nevertheless, there are many Navalny's supporters in Russia who worked in regional headquarters.

The same Lyubov Sobol remained.

What awaits them in terms of our legislation?

- Sable actually went on an autonomous voyage, because she believes that she was not provided with the proper support.

We see that she has her own YouTube channel.

I think she is preparing to leave this structure, because for her, connections with these people are already toxic.

As for the smaller figures, they will either be imprisoned, or squeezed out of the country, or everyone will simply forget about them.

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- Is it possible such a scenario that they will simply change the signboard, change the name and continue to engage in the same activity?

- This is an unlikely scenario, because they were recognized as an extremist organization.

There have already been examples when people from an extremist organization changed their names and continued to engage in the same activities, and then they were exposed and sentenced to real terms.

- But what about the option with remote control, when Volkov manages the entire process from abroad?

- This option is possible, especially before and after the elections to the State Duma.

Various gatherings in the streets are possible.

They also need to report to their curators and justify where the money spent on them went.

This will certainly be done.

- And what will happen to Navalny?

- Against Navalny there is another criminal case of fraud.

This is a story about the theft of donations.

Now, as far as I know, the investigation is interrogating those who sent donations, a financial examination was carried out, which established the amount of damage caused to people.

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- And what threatens him?

- In this case - up to ten years in prison.

- And if there are no statements from the victims?

- We have examples of bringing the case to the end under Article 159, even if there are no statements from the victims.

Sometimes it is even impossible to establish where the victim is, but the fraud does not cease to be a fraud because of this.

There are also other criminal cases.

- And how long will he sit in the end?

- There will be a partial addition of terms and absorption of a smaller term by a larger one.

- But Volkov convinces everyone that he will soon get Navalny out of prison.

- Let me remind you that before Navalny returned to Russia, Volkov said that nothing threatened him, that the maximum was house arrest and that everyone was afraid of him.

According to my information, it was Volkov who convinced Navalny, that is, in fact, he turned him in.

- Then Navalny is the most naive person ...

- Perhaps the people who used to provide security for Navalny said that you can return, that there will be an arrest, maximum "condition", as usual.

Of course, the fact that Navalny imagines himself almost Jesus Christ also played a role.

I thought that he would come now, like Mahatma Gandhi, and millions of people would meet him, but the opposite happened.

- You mean he lost touch with reality?

- Pay attention to what is happening to him now.

He has been in prison for six months - has he written at least one analytical article during this time, at least some serious appeal to his fans?

No.

This proves once again that he was used.

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- Let's talk about foreign agents.

Previously, they often turned a blind eye to the anti-Russian activities of foundations and other organizations.

Now the list of the Ministry of Justice is being replenished more and more actively.

What to expect next?

- Finally, they began to apply the law to all these people, they stopped not noticing them.

The same "Team 29" has been operating in Russia for quite some time.

I started working on them five years ago, and it was at my request that the organization that financed them was recognized as undesirable in Russia.

Money came from the Czech Republic, from there it poured in from various international funds.

The scheme was tricky.

But it is important to understand that Team 29 was not created for Navalny, their main task was to protect those accused of treason.

To sue the FSB.

They fought to ensure that citizens have access to information that is currently closed.

That is, under a plausible pretext to put pressure on the state and demand the disclosure of classified information.

- What would happen to such organizations if they conducted similar activities on the territory of the United States on behalf of Russia?

- They would be in prison as internal terrorists.

And there would be a number of articles on economics.

But it is quite possible that something more bad would have happened to them, because a number of precedents have already taken place.

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- In some cases, there is evidence that an organization or media is directly funded from abroad. For example, the story with the "Project" *** by Roman Badanin. But people are still indignant.

- Unfortunately, in our society there is a certain stratum of people - it's not even 2%, but 0.2% - with the psychology of the Vlasovites. They are fighting not with Putin, but with Russia. These are obvious accomplices of the enemies. They see what is happening, they understand everything and wish bad luck to our country, there can be no constructive dialogue with them.

* The Anti-Corruption Foundation is included in the register of NPOs performing the functions of a foreign agent, by decision of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation dated 09.10.2019. 

The organization is recognized as extremist, its activities are prohibited on the territory of Russia by the decision of the Moscow City Court of 06/09/2021.

** "Yuri Levada Analytical Center" ("Levada-Center") is included in the register of NPOs performing the functions of a foreign agent, in accordance with the federal law "On Non-Commercial Organizations" 09/05/2016.

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Project Media, Inc. is an organization whose activities have been declared undesirable on the territory of the Russian Federation by the decision of the Prosecutor General's Office dated 07/15/2021.