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■ Progress: Anchor Joo Young-jin
■ Interview: Kim Jong-in, former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy
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"I was looking for people standing outside the national power ... as itgetda not want to"
, "Ahn, strength to think who the one who made it higher criticism "
" Gwangju knees apologizing, "was the paechak freedom hangukdang visibility"
, "will go never again in the power of the people ... no regrets in politics"
, "sufficiently studied also president she is tough ... It is difficult to win only with public opinion.
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▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Did you watch the video well? You came to the news briefing of Joo Young-jin, former Chairman of the National Power of the People's Power, Kim Jong-in. Welcome to.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: How are you?
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Hasn't it been almost a month since you left after re-election for the power of the people?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: Right. The day after tomorrow, it will be a month.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: How did you spend a month?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: During that time, I took a break and exercised.
▷ Joo Young-jin / Anchor: There was also an article stating that you were vaccinated.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: It was right on the 30th.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Was it okay?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: It was okay because there wasn't much pain.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: When did you even talk about the 2nd vaccination, come back?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: The second vaccination will be given on May 24th.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Then, at an interval of about a month.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: It's been a little more than three weeks.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: People's Power Now, it's been a month since you left, but many viewers probably think that Kim Jong-in has left the political scene.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: I myself think that I have left the political scene, but other people don't seem to believe it very well.
People with a lot of imagination talk about it like this and like that, but it doesn't match what they say and what I think, so once you say you're leaving, you're leaving. You won't have any regrets about politics anymore.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: When Kim Jong-in is the former chairman of the large scale committee, there are many evaluations that he is a person who is difficult to find an analogy in the political history of Korea.
Isn't the position of the large-scale chairman in fact a representative role, crossing the ruling party and the opposition party?
Isn't that the only one who has also been the leader of the ruling party and the opposition party?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: I think so.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Why do you think that such fate and role were given to you?
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the Big Power of the People: In fact, the reason why I had to play such a role is that I brought out the topic of economic democratization and made a promise to realize it when Park Geun-hye was elected last president. He played a role in the election of the president, but after that, the Park Geun-hye administration was born and the Saenuri Party became the ruling party, so I don't know if they were in too much of an accident, but they brought up such a story after being in power for 20 years. Relatively, the opposition party shows the appearance that Ahn Chul-soo leaves and the opposition party almost collapses, so if the opposition party is completely destroyed, there is a problem with Korean democracy. . After that, the opposition party completely defeated the metropolitan area in the last 4.15 general election.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Yes.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: Actually, I saw it as a serious situation. The fact that the opposition party served as the representative in the metropolitan area inevitably raises doubts about the existence of the opposition party itself. Then, again, in the absence of the opposition party, and the ruling party was just fortunate to be in power for 20 years with confidence, so I had to balance this to some extent, so I went there because I wanted to help the people in the power of the people right now. .
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Did you have any such worries? When Park Geun-hye was asked for help from the Saenuri Party at the time, you were a member of the Uri Party, right?
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the High Power of the People: Has there not been a member of the Uri Party, and the Uri Party was born, and the Democratic Party collapsed before? At that time, the party leader Cho Soon-hyung asked the Democratic Party for help in policy, so that’s why I went to the Democratic Party as a proportional representative.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: So anyway, people who do a lot of politics sometimes withdraw from the ruling party and go to the ruling party, the opposition party, and the ruling party. How do people view it? Did you have any worries like this?
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: I did not worry about that aspect very much because I did it after such a long period of time, and wherever I am, if there is anything I can do to help the so-called national development, Because I thought it would be good to help with ability, it was a decision I made myself, so I didn't feel any confusion or anything like this in my own conscience.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Then, when former BMI chairman Kim Jong-in took over as Brawl Chairman, overall results were good. Anyway, the Saenuri Party won the presidential election at the time. After that, when I helped the Democrats again, the prospects prevailed that the Democrats would lose big in the general election, but didn’t they get one more seat anyway, at that time? And again, in the re-election, the people's strength won the Mayor of Seoul and the Mayor of Busan, which made good results, but the appearance of saying goodbye afterwards was not beautiful.
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: The fact that it wasn't beautiful to say goodbye is that the people in the party thought that they were good to do so, so they may have thought that they could use me temporarily, but they just went and got the job done. When I saw the situation, I came out because I felt that I couldn't be there. For example, in the case of the Dong-A-Democratic Party, I left my tenure as a member of the National Assembly for more than three years, abandoned all my council positions, and left after leaving.In fact, this time, there are many things I feel in the party in the process of re-election by entering the power of the people. Can this party really go this way? If this is the case, if I start with the conviction that I will definitely win the election, this re-election will take a look at the party in the process of having to elect the mayor of Seoul as a candidate for the so-called people's power. I don't know, but the election ended because I thought that it wouldn't be possible as a candidate for the people's power, so I saw that everyone is putting their passion on the candidates outside, so I made this judgment as to whether I could continue to work with these people. As soon as it came out the next day.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: In fact, when you first declared Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon, didn't you declare a conditional run? He even declared a conditional run, saying,'If former CEO Ahn Chul-soo comes into the power of the people, if he participates in the contest together, I will not run for him.' But the true result was Candidate Se-hoon Oh in the unification race. So, there was a saying that this election was not a victory for Candidate Se-hoon Oh, but rather a victory for former BMI chairman Kim Jong-in.
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: Rather than my victory, I played the role only because of the responsibility to elect a candidate for the people's strength as a representative of the people's strength.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Then, in the process of unification, what was the strategic dimension of the extremely intense criticism that the former secretary chairman Kim Jong-in poured out toward the former CEO Ahn Cheol-soo? Or did you usually have such critical thoughts about former CEO Ahn Chul-soo?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: It is necessary to think about who is the person who makes me intensive and criticize. If I hadn't touched me, I wouldn't have responded to it. For example, on January 6th, you came to visit me and you should leave the mayor of Seoul as a single candidate for the opposition party. If you want to be this real single candidate, I told you to join our party and I might be you, so I asked you to come in. So, with number 2, if you think you can't come in because the election is impossible, is there any way to get a single candidate? If you wait until the beginning of March, then, after our party's nominee is confirmed, let's go then and then decide on a single candidate. Then I broke up and went outside, and many people around me in relation to a single candidate encouraged you, and some media also talked about Ahn Cheol-soo's theory of candidate for mayor of Seoul, and I relatively raised the level of attacks against me and went through such a process. With this idea that I should unify the candidates of our party in any form, I did a lot of research on my own opinion polls and everything from December last year to the end of last March. So, in conclusion, I entered this by-election with the conviction that if our party's candidate became a single candidate, this man must be.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: This is not the first time you have a relationship with Ahn Cheol-soo. Even when you first participate in politics.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: In the past, when he first started participating in politics, I started talking about it in 2011, so I know it well.
▷ Joo Young-jin / Anchor: Did you think that your thoughts at that time and your thoughts now haven't changed significantly, and what's the thought of the former supervisory chairman Kim Jong-in?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: There is no difference between what I judged at that time or what I judged now.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: And if you look at the video a while ago, it is May that you couldn't find it in the power of the people. Go to the 5.18 Gwangju Democratization Movement National Cemetery, kneel, repent, worship, and reflect, and do you think that these features have received the approval and applause of the whole from the power of the people? Or did you still hear voices of criticism that the former non-committee chairman Kim Jong-in had acted inconsistent with the identity of our party?
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the High Power of the People: No, it is actually a big defeat of the Free Korean Party in the past.In the days of the Saenuri Party and the Democratic Party, if President Park Geun-hye was impeached, he should thoroughly understand why he should be impeached. It was changed to the Liberal Korean Party, so the so-called correction should have been made properly. However, this time, as I passed by completely indifferent to it, rather, it made a sound of demeaning something like the 5.18 Democratization Movement in Gwangju, and so naturally, I have no choice but to get annoyed by the people. So, if this party seems to be decisively trying to be reborn, isn't it a way to correct what the party hasn't done properly in the meantime? So, in fact, I had to go to the May 18 graveyard in Gwangju and kneel down there, and there was no choice but to apologize for the disparaging remarks made by members of the party in relation to May 18.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Do you believe that the people's power will never turn it upside down again?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: In my opinion, there will be nothing to do backwards. Looking at this time again, I think that Kim Ki-hyun, who was elected as the hospital representative tomorrow, said that he would visit the 5.18 cemetery again, and about 10 members of the first elected members also went to the 5.18 cemetery on May 10 and continued what we have been doing since last year. I think it's probably hard to overturn.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: As for the 5.18 Gwangju Democratization Movement, shouldn't everyone have the same voice for evaluating it apart from the opposition parties? Are you thinking that the spirit that you tried to achieve with your life anyway, should all be admired and supported by the democracy of the Republic of Korea?
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: It has been confirmed as a historical fact and legally all rules have been established, so it is difficult to receive political response from the people in my view if it is likely to repeatedly deny it and raise objections. I think it will.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: You first said that you have left the political scene, but Congressman Kim Woong of the People's Strength will probably be the next party representative, as the first member of the Congress. Unconditionally, I will bring Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the enlargement committee. Also, even though I am talking like this, there will never be a return to the power of the people. You said this again.
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: I think it is actually impossible for me to say that I am going through some form of the people's power again, considering my personal circumstances.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: So, I don't know if it's an article used by political journalists with imagination, but former Prosecutor General Yoon Seok-yeol doesn't see any political allies around him who can support him right now? There are a lot of articles about the prospect of coming into the people's power or doing it in the so-called third zone, so there are a lot of articles about whether Kim Jong-in is working with former prosecutor general Yoon Seok-yeol.
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Power Hypertrophy: Those with a lot of imagination talk about it like this and like that, but former President Yoon Suk-yeol also thinks a lot of things. . And I think that there are probably a lot of people around it now and come up with a lot of ideas. But there I think that you will decide your actions in the future depending on how your judgments stand. However, in fact, there are many political critics and reporters who use expressions that seem like I'm waiting for former President Yoon Suk-yeol, but I haven't waited for anyone until now. I've been to the Democratic Party in the past and the power of the people now, but I went because I asked for help from the desperate feelings of the people belonging to that party, not because I made a decision myself. In the process, there were a lot of human disappointments. So, as I think right now, I think I will never be humanly disappointed again, so I will never go into politics again or anything like that.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: You said that you will not go into politics again. Former President Yoon Seok-yeol, President of the Bidaedaejang, I want to challenge the presidential election once, but I made up my mind, but please help me. If a person like former Chairman Kim Jong-in asks for a plea that he can only help.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: I don't think I need to answer anything about it because it is a future event.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: If you say this, reporters in the political department write articles like that, but I didn't deny it.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Enlargement Committee: I did not deny it. In fact, in fact, people help someone or go to work in any form so that the true country goes in a direction that makes the country good. Then, there still feels a sense of accomplishment in its own way. There are cases that cause damage to humans, so I'm trying to avoid them as much as possible.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: While doing politics, the non-committee chairman Kim Jong-in went over the opposition parties and worked or helped with the three former presidents anyway. Then, I think the president will have such a sense that somebody will become the president.
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: So, the person who wants to become president will be aware of the reality of the country for a long time, realize the change of the country, and how the people’s sentiment will change. Since this is the reality of the Republic of Korea in which we are facing, I will have to do this for the future in the future. This is the case in each field. Diplomacy, security, economy, education, and these phenomena in the international community. Even if I become president with thorough preparation for such things, it is difficult to become president, but without such preparation, I think that there is no possibility of success if I see it after becoming president according to the formation of so-called public opinion one day without such preparation.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Former Prosecutor General Yoon Seok-yeol spoke the words that naturally came to mind.
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: No, so why aren't there any people in Korea who have succeeded in all of the former presidents? If one examines it calmly, it will inevitably reveal what a person who will naturally become president should have. I think like this.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: It's unfortunately that the economy is always important, but there weren't many presidents who were economic experts. There were presidents who had been in politics for a long time, and there were presidents from real economies and entrepreneurs. How about this too, isn't it a bit paradoxical?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: However, I think that the President does not have to know any particular field professionally. I think that if you only have the commonsense knowledge you need in the management of the country and use good staff, you will be able to serve as president.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: You don't need to be an expert in any field or specific field. Also, the words now sound like the possibility of former Prosecutor General Yoon Seok-yeol, and a little while ago.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: I cannot say that there is no possibility at all.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: In what way did you evaluate it like that? About former President Yun Suk-yeol.
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the High Power of the People: For example, if you are going to be president, I want to be president. If so, what is the situation in the Republic of Korea right now? There are a lot of concerns about whether I will be able to return to the situation before the coronavirus right now. How can I interpret this? In particular, the problem of polarization has intensified in Korea during the coronavirus outbreak. In addition, as this polarization problem intensifies, the fertility rate in Korea is gradually falling. Now, the fertility rate is about 0.8, but if you think this will fall further, you will have to worry about the future of the country. I am afraid that the people will not follow only when I present this vision to the people of how I will solve these complex problems.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Then, how does Kim Jong-in, former BMI chairman, view? The presidential election, which appears in the polls now, is less than a year left. And, on May 10th, there is only one year left for the new government to be launched, so aren't there any candidates leading the way in the polls? Are there any chances of a new candidate emerging other than these candidates? Looking at the case in the past.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: I cannot rule out a new candidate at all.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Do you see that?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: In my opinion. Even in the past, I can't say that the president must be the one who leads the polls. For example, if we were to look at the 2002 presidential election, then at the time, probably more than 90% of everyone predicted the election of Lee Hoi-chang and said that even a little while before the election. However, in conclusion, aren't the results different? So, I think that according to the spirit of that era, how the people's emotions flow in that era? If you don't think you can properly recognize this, then the polls that appear in the early days do not have much meaning. Even in the process of the Seoul Mayor's re-election now, who couldn't have imagined that he would become the so-called candidate Oh Se-hoon of the people's power, if it seems to be from the polls?
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: That's right. Isn't it that there weren't many people who thought that Candidate Se-Hoon Oh would beat Candidate Ahn Cheol-soo in the process of unification?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: Right.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: When you talk about that, I suddenly think of it.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: That's just the sound that reporters use, and I have no reason to regret it. I don't know why he asked me to come back, and I'm not the one to go. I don't know in what sense he said that, but I didn't care much about it.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: And I'll change the question I asked a little while ago. It's not who is going to be, but there are one or two or three candidates who are good at the polls right now, and there are no other candidates? There is a possibility that a completely new person other than these candidates is down there in the polls now, or a new person who has not appeared at all will emerge as a strong candidate for the presidential election.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: That's also what I say is possible. For example, I talked about the 2002 presidential election. At that time, was it the Millennium Democratic Party or there weren't 9 candidates? Candidate In-je Lee was the first person among them.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Yes.
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Growth Committee: At that time, Candidate Moo-Hyun Roh was a person who did not give much support. But in the end, at that time, when Candidate Moo-Hyun Roh sees me and asks for help, I often visit me, so I personally gave a lot of advice and talked a lot, but I remember talking to Candidate Moo-Hyun Roh at that time, but I said that you can win. . That's when Inje Lee took up to 33% of the candidates. So, even now, if the person who is wriggling right now correctly presents his vision and the emotions of the people fit it, he can become that person.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: You just went out to KBS and said that, right?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: Right.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: However, the story that former Congressman Yoo In-tae came out a few days ago and former BMI Chairman Kim Jong-in related to former President Roh Moo-hyun is quite different from the facts.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: That person.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: I heard that former lawmaker Yeom Dong-yeon talked about that again.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: That's a sound that Rep. In-tae Yoo doesn't know. Candidate Moo-hyun Roh has been looking for me since early 2001 to see me and ask for help. So, when I stopped by and talked to me before going to the contest, I told it about it. I don't know what will happen to you, but I was talking about this,'You should be at least 2nd in the Gwangju contest. You can be a candidate.' So they don't know. Those people, former lawmaker Yeom Dong-yeon, was in charge of supporting Candidate Roh Moo-hyun in Gwangju at the time, so they only know that way, but they don't know what they talked with me and Roh Moo-hyun at the time.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: I remember interviewing at the Gwangju contest site at that time. I also remember the appearance of the contest site. Okay. A lot of time has passed, but I think I have another question that I must ask, so have you seen a personnel hearing recently, a few days ago.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: Yes.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Two or three are ineligible for the power of the people right now, I can't agree, and the ruling party is also struggling. How can I see an article like this?
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: I think that it is good for me that the president does not appoint candidates that the people do not accept as common sense when looking at the results of the Seoul Mayor's by-election this time.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Are you sure you pick up two so-called candidates Lim Hye-suk and Park Jun-young?
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Power of the People I am thinking about whether it is necessary to appoint him as a minister.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: When you think of President Moon Jae-in, you will have a very complicated mind. We were together, we helped with our utmost effort, and also stood at the forefront as a representative of the opposition party. President Moon Jae-in has one year left in office. There was a story about whether you would meet the president if you could, but you couldn't meet him in the end, right?
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: That is, in my view, if I want to give advice, it is the wisest for President Moon Jae-in to read the public sentiment that appeared in the Seoul Mayor's by-election this time, and at least take such measures to agree to some degree I think it's a way.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: And there are probably many viewers who seem to know well about Kim Jong-in, but don't know much about it. It is said that he was the grandson of the first Supreme Court Chief Justice Kim Byung-ro Gain, and that he grew up a little difficult when he was a child, but he has always worked hard to become a grandfather who is not ashamed of his grandfather. He served as a member of the National Assembly, worked in the Blue House, and sometimes was tried because of unpleasant matters. When I ponder over my political life, I think that there is a possibility that I will be able to participate in my political life again, but to the viewers, my political life and my beliefs were like this. If you want to say something like this.
▶ Kim Jong-in/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: I actually participate in politics, so no matter where I belong, I will continue to develop the liberal democracy set in the so-called constitutional order of our country and help the people's welfare. Because I was involved there, the general public said that he was a person who went back and forth for no reason. I didn't go back and forth without thinking so much. I hope that our people will probably understand that point.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Will I have another interview next time?
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the People's Strength Hypertrophy: See you again whenever possible.
▷ Joo Young-jin/Anchor: Okay. I had a long interview with the former Chairman of the National Power of the People, Kim Jong-in. I really listened to you today.
▶ Jong-in Kim/Former Chairman of the National Strength Growth Committee: Thank you.
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