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WORLD:
When did you first see the #all sealing videos?
Dieter Nuhr:
On Friday morning, the same from Liefers.
Then some others.
I didn't find that the videos could add anything new to the discussion.
I also found it a bit naive to reduce a discussion that had long been held with all the arguments from all sides in such a simple way.
WORLD:
In the development novel “The Tin Drum”, Günter Grass tells great truths from the naive perspective of a Thumbnail.
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Nuhr:
I always try to have a differentiated view of things.
The one-sided and argument-free criticism of restrictions in pandemic times is not enough for me.
At the same time, however, the criticism of the videos is largely exaggerated and hysterical because it uses the labels “right-wing” and “lateral thinker” without justification.
There are good reasons, as a cultural worker, to criticize the Corona policy, but they were hardly mentioned in the videos.
The fact that after a year of pandemic politics still can't think of anything other than undifferentiated curfews and contact bans without taking into account the findings of aerosol researchers, for example, can still be criticized without being labeled as right-wingers.
Ironic action by actors causes discussion
Around 50 prominent film and television actors are causing a sensation with a large-scale campaign.
The artists simultaneously distributed ironic-satirical clips with personal statements on the German government's corona policy on social media platforms.
Source: WORLD / Nadine Jantz
WORLD:
What do you think when Jan Josef Liefers says "Thank you to all the media in our country who have worked tirelessly for a year, responsibly and with attitude, to keep the alarm at the very top"?
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Nuhr:
I then ask myself: Who are “the media”?
Do all the media, from the far right to the far left, have a unified point of view?
That is too general for me.
But I also believe that there are quite a few media outlets that use scare tactics to generate clicks or address their consumers primarily from the point of view of the educator.
That annoys me too.
To blame all media for this across the board is incorrect.
Of course, as a reader, I too do not want to be constantly instructed in pedagogy by weekly magazines, station editorial offices or newspaper writers.
I also find it absurd that in the meantime every criticism is examined as to whether it is playing into the hands of the AfD or the "lateral thinkers" or whoever is.
Any criticism that is not explicitly directed against rights ultimately plays into the hands of rights.
Is that why we can no longer criticize the left or the center?
That's rubbish.
WORLD:
How many of the videos have you seen?
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Nuhr:
Some.
Liefers, Tukur, then a few more, then it just got too boring.
From a satire point of view, too, I found the videos to be quite unimaginative, often pathetic and surprisingly weak in terms of both acting and film.
If it was supposed to be satire, it wasn't funny or witty.
In any case, I didn't laugh.
WORLD:
It is said that the videos are a mockery of the corona dead.
Nuhr:
If every criticism of corona measures is a mockery of the dead, I no longer need to discuss it.
That is a stupid manslaughter argument that should prevent any criticism.
Unfortunately, this is not uncommon in our discussion culture today.
The exchange of arguments is thus made impossible.
And in the end, insults are dealt with on a personal level and reflexively hit each other on social media.
WORLD:
Does Jan Josef Liefers share right-wing extremist thoughts?
Nuhr:
Of course not, that's completely silly.
One can consider the video action of our actors to be wrong, but not to be right-wing extremist.
In any case, I have not heard a single right request.
WORLD:
Do you think that people who claim Jan Josef Liefers, Heike Makatsch or Meret Becker share right thoughts, really Raúl Castro, that this is so?
Nuhr:
That depends on the degree of stubbornness of the individual brain.
There are ideologues who always smell fascism right from their own point of view.
I have also been called right-wing or a racist.
That was an attempt to defame my position and thereby exclude myself from the discourse.
In the end, this ritualized defamation of all divergent viewpoints as "right" is a slap in the face of all victims of Nazis and right-wing violence.
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If everyone on the right of the left is considered to be right-wing radical, there are no longer any terms to distinguish between conservative, liberal, right-wing or right-wing radical.
I know that, I was also socialized left-green in the 70s.
We always shouted “fascism” right away.
It started with the CDU.
That was baseless nonsense.
Those who already put the label “right” in the middle make it easy for those who are really on the right.
WORLD:
Why is it so easy to say that someone is a fascist?
Nuhr:
There are people who open a new hashtag for everything; they have turned the outrage into a business model.
You act in self-interest.
Likes and clicks are the currency with which they create meaning for themselves.
The “fascist”, “racist” or “Nazi” shouting at any time serves in the end primarily to stage oneself as one of the good guys.
In the end it only serves the economy of attention and devalues the resistance against the real rights.
# Make all the sealing: Jan-Josef Liefers was just as involved in the internet campaign as Nina Proll, Nadja Uhl and Ulrich Tukur
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WORLD:
A correspondent for the “Financial Times” wrote that the actors' campaign “clearly reminded him of Joseph Goebbels in terms of style”.
Nuhr:
Someone who is so clearly lacking in basic historical knowledge has missed his job.
Journalists should be able to analyze situations and bring them to the point.
As editor-in-chief, I would worry about keeping someone like that.
Not because I wanted to censor his opinion, but because he is obviously not up to the task.
He lacks any fundamental ability to differentiate.
WORLD:
The Broadcasting Council member Garrelt Duin claimed that the actors would feed those "who want to put an end to the public broadcasters".
And that is why the public broadcasters should end their cooperation with them "also out of solidarity with those who really suffer from Corona and its consequences".
Nuhr:
Why a broadcasting council voluntarily confirms a false prejudice about public service broadcasting by making employment dependent on loyalty to the line is a complete mystery to me.
But I think he's sorry for this statement now, he deleted it too, didn't he?
I find it almost insulting that he is basically asking me to say what the Broadcasting Council likes.
I say whatever is on my mind, no matter what a broadcasting council says.
I found this statement more than worrying.
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WORLD:
Could this video campaign have been done well?
Nuhr:
In newspapers, on the Internet, on television, and everywhere in public, however, all points of view were negotiated on an epic scale.
It just didn't need the action.
I didn't think it was bad either.
I do not judge them.
It just didn't contain a single new argument.
That's why I found it superfluous.
WORLD:
Which government measures do you think are good and which are not?
Nuhr:
I think everything is good that induces people to be outdoors, because almost one hundred percent of infections take place in closed rooms. That is why I find it strange that our state wants to keep us at home by means of curfews. And to be honest: the state has failed in everything that had to be done quickly. It started with the procurement of masks, continued via the Corona app and ended with the vaccination, he didn’t get anything done at a reasonable speed.
Only the family doctors have now made a real difference.
In one year, the state has not been able to formulate the corona measures more precisely and design them in a more targeted manner.
Nor did he use the time to broaden his expert base.
International cooperation has not really made any headway either.
There is so much to criticize.
That would fill a couple of pages.
WORLD:
What has changed for you over the last year?
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Nuhr:
I've always traveled a lot and been on tour.
That was an essential part of my life.
From one moment to the next it was over, a real turning point.
I can no longer do what was an essential part of my life.
This year my fear of the Germans' belief in the state has increased.
With each failure of the state, the urge of some to call for the state grew.
Everything that gives us hope was created on the private sector level: vaccine, a functioning app like Luca, the functions of which are now being implanted in the state app, and so on ... If one had relied more on private sector solutions, everything would probably have gone faster .
WORLD:
Where does this distortion of reality come from.
That the state must do everything, that capitalism and the economy are the cause of all evil?
Nuhr:
Not everything is good in a market economy, but where it is good there is a market economy.
That’s a fact.
To answer the question of how the market economy could become an object of hate, you probably have to ask psychologists, it has a lot to do with envy and status.
With us in the market economy system, in contrast to most other regions in the world, food, clothing, heating, housing, education and medical care are guaranteed.
At first glance, I find it remarkable that so many people believe that we live in the wrong system.
I would not have wanted to live in someone else, especially in times of Corona.
Many believe that everything would be better under functionaries.
Madness!
WORLD:
It is said that the more equal a society is, the worse even small inequalities feel.
Nuhr:
The problem with us is that even without Corona things would not always go up.
Fear of decline is the greatest cause of radicalism.
Fear is of course justified in a pandemic, but acting fearfully and then demanding the most radical concepts possible is dangerous.
After a year with the pandemic, I ask myself: How should a no-covid concept work?
We’re just radically at home for a moment, and then the virus is gone?
Do we want to close the borders then and not let anyone in?
How can leftists of all people come up with such dumb ideas?
WORLD:
Has freedom become suspect?
Nuhr:
Equality arises from restricting freedoms.
And freedom comes from allowing inequalities.
Leftists are often assumed that their demands are morally higher than those of the right.
That doesn't necessarily make them any smarter.
Often even the simplest contradictions are not recognized.
For example, you cannot support LGBTQ lifestyles and unregulated immigration at the same time, if only because there are not a few tough LGBTQ haters among the many who would come.
The dilemma of all ideologues is that they do not self-critically deal with their own contradictions.
Of course, that can also happen to me.
WORLD:
What is your own ideology?
Nuhr:
Of course I don't have any ... No, that was meant ironically.
Of course, I also have a rough model of society in my head, which is also an ideal.
Nobody is completely free of ideology.
My ideal is a liberal model of society in which everyone can pursue their own chosen life plans.
A functioning welfare state is the basis for freedom.
I also think it's okay what taxes I pay.
But I envision a society in which the people who pay taxes and keep the life of the community going with their economic activities are valued.
I want a community based on solidarity, but with the greatest possible freedom at the same time.
With us, half of what is generated is redistributed.
I think that's a great achievement.
"We need a perspective"
The action #Allesdichtmachen shows the “turmoil of society”, according to the initiator of #Alarmstuferot, Marcel Fery.
He calls for opening concepts for the event industry - and gives a date.
The most important thing is a perspective.
Source: WELT / Fanny Fee Werther