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The greatest defeat was experienced by Federal Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer at the beginning of 2020. The politician had led the CDU until then, had been traded as a candidate for chancellor and then resigned as chairwoman of her party after a long power struggle.

She damned reluctantly lose, she says in the new episode of the “stern” podcast “Die Boss” and admits: “This defeat made me a bit free.

In an interview with podcast host and multi-supervisory board member Simone Menne, she remembers: “Those were very tough months that I wouldn't wish for anyone.” She learned that she could live without this public applause.

"That I'm strong enough to go my own way, even if I don't have good headlines."

During her time as CDU chairwoman, Kramp-Karrenbauer was at the center of the public debate several times - for example when she made fun of the “third sex” at the carnival.

In her opinion, men in politics are reported differently.

“Women are always attacked differently.

Being criticized is one thing.

But many attacks are very personal and go below the belt. "

AKK criticizes corona crisis policy

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In the podcast, she criticizes the current corona crisis policy of the federal and state governments.

“The structures of cooperation don't work well in such crises,” she says.

“That shouldn't happen to us anymore.” Angela Merkel's apology for the unworkable “Easter rest” she felt was sincere and wise.

"I would actually have expected that the prime ministers, who supported the decisions, would at least say: That was just as good our mistake."