Armin Laschet at Markus Lanz: "Doesn't need any teachings"

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Two days after Angela Merkel appeared on Anne Will and Markus Söder in Tagesthemen, Armin Laschet is also a guest on a TV show.

With his visit to Markus Lanz, however, he should have had the most difficult appearance.

In a good mood and well prepared, Lanz analyzes the statements of the Chancellor and the Bavarian Prime Minister.

Laschet is visibly dreading the questions of the moderator in some places.

"What did you expect?

What did you get? ”Asks the brisk about Merkel's appearance at Will.

Let's take a look at the clipping, says Laschet hesitantly.

Merkel explained to Will that she did not see the agreed implementation of the emergency brake, i.e. the withdrawal of easing, in some federal states and explicitly named Berlin and North Rhine-Westphalia.

"I know the Chancellor so well, we have such a good relationship of trust and I am sure that she did not want to cause any damage," says Laschet.

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“It damages you,” says Lanz shortly afterwards.

“I don't feel that way,” replies Laschet.

And yet, after the questions that are typical of Lanz, admits: “I wasn't happy about that.

But in such a crisis there has to be a small difference in detail between a CDU chairman and a chancellor. "

What is meant is the use of the emergency brake in North Rhine-Westphalia: Laschet also allows in municipalities with a seven-day incidence of more than 100 purchases outside of daily needs.

An appointment and a negative test result are required.

According to Merkel, this rule is not covered by the federal-state resolution.

"He smells it when someone is shot"

On Monday, Laschet started planning the CDU election program with a keynote address.

At the same time, Söder invited to a Bavarian vaccination summit in Munich.

"There is someone sitting in Munich who smells when someone is shot," says Lanz.

Which at this moment says more about Armin Laschet than Markus Söder.

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"I think it's inappropriate to play party-political games around the pandemic," says Laschet.

Lanz stalks closer with a quote from Söder: If the incidence is over 100, according to the Bavarian Prime Minister, everything in a municipality has to be closed.

There are some who do not yet understand this.

"Second hit against you," says Lanz.

"Do you think I'll answer every one of these taunts and hits?" Replies Laschet, lightly touched.

If you look at how NRW got through the pandemic, the state is not among the worst in a comparison of federal states.

He knows all 16 prime ministers personally.

“Everyone cares about their country.

He doesn't need any instruction from others. ”Pause.

"It's so."

Again, school closings are an option

When it comes to pandemic management in North Rhine-Westphalia, the group, which also includes Tübingen's Lord Mayor Boris Palmer (Greens), doctor Carola Holzner and journalist Helene Bubrowski, speaks about schools.

The mayors in Dortmund and Duisburg wanted to close them again, and the state government intervened.

“It's too simple to say close schools.

We want an overall concept, ”says Laschet.

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So far this has failed due to regular testing by students and teachers.

"If things continue like this, there will be compulsory testing," announced Laschet.

And continues: “I can't say that the schools will open after the holidays.

We will have to deal with it very carefully. "

Background: Due to the mutation B.1.1.7.

the coronavirus is more contagious and is now spreading more and more among children and adolescents.

“Then the school year was over,” comments Palmer.

Palmer suggests giving CureVac vaccine to volunteers - without approval

The guests also talked about the problems with the AstraZeneca vaccine, which is now only recommended for people over 60.

"Right now the British are clearly handling the risks better than we are," says Palmer.

There the vaccine was approved overnight, the second dose is postponed in order to vaccinate as many citizens as possible first.

Palmer suggests that the vaccine from the Tübingen-based company CureVac, which has not yet been approved, should be administered to all those willing to be vaccinated.

Palmer himself may have been vaccinated with the vaccine as part of a CureVac study - possibly because he could also belong to the control group with a placebo.

“I would voluntarily allow people to access the CureVac vaccine.

Anyone who says I want it should be able to get it, ”says the Green politician.

Unfortunately, that wouldn't work in Germany.

“This makes the third wave bigger and harder and heavier and the lockdown deeper.

We don't deal with risks properly, we assess them incorrectly, we don't weigh them up correctly. "

Söder made a similar proposal on Monday for the AstraZeneca vaccine.

If young women still want to choose AstraZeneca, they should receive the vaccine.

Laschet rejects both.

“I think it is right to examine carefully.

Time is lost, but you have a higher level of security, ”says the NRW Prime Minister.

Even those who still receive AstraZeneca must be put in order by the state.

"If the Paul Ehrlich Institute warns like this, I would not take responsibility and tell the 25-year-old educator: take it anyway."

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Boris Palmer clearly contradicts: “We don't want the responsibility and we push it away.

But the responsibility is also that Corona is more dangerous than all available vaccines. "

The doctor Carola Holzner advocates a middle ground: If you want to have the vaccine, you should be able to take it - after an explanation of the alternatives and the low, as she emphatically emphasizes, risks.

So there is also the Paul Ehrlich Institute.

"The final responsibility also has to some extent the doctor."