China's Swedish ambassador receives TT outdoors in a pavilion at the well-fenced embassy at Gärdet in Stockholm.

- You know that 5G technology was born out of a collaboration between high-tech companies in the world, including China's Huawei, Sweden's Ericsson and Finland's Nokia?

says Gui Congyou.

He begins by repeating the call that Sweden must withdraw its decision to port Huawei and ZTE from participating in the expansion of the Swedish 5G network, a decision he calls counterproductive.

Do not want to specify

China's foreign ministry is threatening to take revenge against the Swedish business community in China if the decision is not withdrawn.

Gui Congyou spontaneously mentions the Swedish telecommunications company Ericsson, with a market share in China of ten percent, as a company the Chinese state can punish with sanctions.

- If the Swedish government decides to ban Huawei from its 5G network, it will undoubtedly have a negative impact on Ericsson's activities in China.

Sweden cannot count on seriously damaging the interests of Chinese companies and believes that this will not lead to consequences.

But in the light of the current situation, I do not want to answer the question of what consequences may arise.

Huawei and ZTE were recently stopped on the grounds that the Chinese state "conducts cyber espionage to promote its own economic development and develop its military capabilities."

Säpo chief Klas Friberg commented on the decision by saying that China conducts extensive intelligence gathering.

Switches tracks

Gui Congyou does not seem to touch a mouth behind the muzzle when the criticism comes up.

The first answer is that Swedish security authorities lack knowledge of China and that China's defense and foreign policy do not pose a threat to other countries.

He then switches tracks to Taiwan and Hong Kong, where he says separatists are trying to break up the regions and make China's reunification more difficult.

- China does not have a single soldier on foreign soil, so how can you call China a country that threatens other countries, not least Sweden, a country that is thousands of kilometers away from China?

So the theory of China's threat is actually completely fabricated.