"I feel the persecution on myself": Elena Shuvalova - about the protests in Belarus, working as a deputy and the prankers' drawing

- You recently congratulated President Lukashenko on his birthday.

Did you answer anything?

- When congratulations, do they expect an answer?

It was just a gesture of respect and support.

- Does he need support?

- I think he needs it now, of course.

You know, I feel the persecution on myself, which was organized even for my congratulations, and I think that I felt a millionth share of what he feels.

Alexander Grigorievich now definitely needs moral support. 

- How do you feel about what is happening in Belarus? 

- How to try to break a regime that interferes with international reaction in order to further strengthen the destructive influence on Russia.

How to try to break the regime that prevents making the Republic of Belarus a vassal, primarily from an economic point of view. 

I don't like half steps.

If I defend Alexander Grigorievich, then I defend him with a full, as they say, course.

I believe that he is one of the world's leading politicians, a person who is a real head of state, who holds the wheel in his hands and leads the country as a whole in the right direction.

I know what policy he is pursuing, I know what economic course he is pursuing and how he tries not to surrender the sales markets of the Republic of Belarus for foreign goods.

I respect this person in every possible way, support him and believe that there is no alternative to him in Belarus.

Many countries would dream of such a leader. 

It's just when a crowd with huge poles ... And I saw these poles not on the Russian TV channel, not on the Belarusian one - I saw them in the frames that the Poles show.

I saw the demonstrators not just clubs, but poles about five meters, probably.

And they bang on police cars, attack the representatives of law enforcement agencies ... I do not exclude that there was some kind of response.

When there is attack, then there is defense.

- But should there be some line of this defense, beyond which one cannot defend oneself?

- That is, if, God forbid, bandits attack you, you will think about the edge?

I see the support of Alexander Grigorievich by ordinary people.

By the way, not only in Belarus, but also in Russia.

I have never met a single person in the real world who would tell me that Alexander Grigorievich is so and so.

Everyone says, "What's going on there?"

I have a feeling that Lukashenka's opponents were preparing for this presidential election in order to throw out all their internet fuse, using them as an excuse.

But they feel that they have failed to carry out their plan to overthrow the government.

Alexander Grigorievich did not leave for Rostov.

He stayed and said: "You go wherever you want, Tikhanovskys, tenacious, and I will be here."

They did not succeed, but they continue and want, in my opinion, to achieve that Lukashenka began to engage in self-digging, self-criticism.

I do not wish him that.

I want him to be sure that the course of his ship is correct. 

- And what is more important then - mercy or justice? 

- You have a wrong perception of the word "mercy."

Remember, Gorbachev kept telling us about a child's tears?

How many tears did Gorbachev shed because of this?

How many explosions were there?

How many hostages?

This is your Gorbachev mercy.

It does not exist as such. 

If now Alexander Grigorievich gives up positions, then Belarus will face not only degradation, but also blood. 

I said the same thing in 1991.

In 1991, when we women, mothers, gathered at our convention, we said the same words.

Literally a year later, a war broke out in Abkhazia, when planes flew and began dropping bombs right onto the beach.

Blood flowed like a river. 

There is no abstract mercy.

Mercy must be protected.

- Do you remember the feeling when the Soviet Union collapsed?

- Of course I remember.

When the events of August 1991 took place, which laid the foundation for the further Bialowieza Agreement, everything became clear.

I was in my suburban area, and planes from Kubinka began to fly around us.

We started listening to the radio.

And then they heard that Yeltsin, I think, carried out his first coup d'état that destroyed the state.

- Why did you go to study as a geographer?

- I like our beautiful planet.

I like to study the diversity of the peoples inhabiting it, the landscapes that are found on it.

I took part in scientific expeditions to the Atlantic Ocean on ships that are now all destroyed.

Heart bleeds.

It was such a fleet, such a research project!

Everything was destroyed, because it did not bring profit to a private pocket. 

- Wasn't it lonely in the ocean?

- No, there was also a team - 120 people.

We had a four-hour watch twice a day.

My watch from 8 to 12 in the morning and from 8 to 12 in the evening was called Farewell Youth. 

- Why?

- From 8 to 12 there were evenings on the ship, dances, and just my watch fell on this time.

But nothing, they found a way out, exchanged watches ... 

- What are your political ambitions?

- Absolutely none.

There are no such thoughts.

I did not even have a thought to become a deputy.

As it should be, I was nominated by people.

I consulted with my children, I said: “Well, where, what deputies?

I'm going to lose my job now, what will we live on? "

They say, "Mom, this is how it goes, this is how it goes."

Well, it got to where it came to.

- Are you satisfied?

- I was elected for the second time. 

After my expulsion from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, all political forces make me their proposals, but I like working in the Moscow City Duma.

I do not promise how life will develop there, but at this stage the main thing for me is my favorite job.

So far, I like being a deputy. 

• Elena Shuvalova in the Moscow City Duma

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- What is your main achievement as a politician? 

- I have not thought about this question - what is the main achievement?

Probably, the fact that people trusted me for the second time and elected me a deputy.

If you want concrete results, that's a lot to say.

I can tell you now that I defended such and such an alley there, I saved such a square here.

But I know very well that if I tell you, this alley will not be there tomorrow.

I have not accepted a single legislative initiative.

But for about half of them, immediately after the discussion, there were certain advances made by the city leadership. 

If, for example, such a harmless one, so that tomorrow they would not put any dirty trick on me - the law on renovation.

The first version of this law and which now is heaven and earth.

Of course, I do not like the aggressive principle in general, but we have achieved the possibility of resettlement in the same area, the possibility of getting out of this renovation, the possibility of judicial protection, etc.

- What political decision are you not proud of? 

- I have nothing to blush. 

I regret that I was not able to achieve the appropriate decision of the executive bodies and make building 15 on the Bolshoi Karetny cultural heritage site.

You know the song “Where are your seventeen years old?

On Bolshoy Karetny. "

I’m just very upset that the Moscow government is doing this with this house.

We shout at every step how poor Vysotsky is, how he was not allowed to perform, and the house where he grew up and then spent his whole life with his friend, director Levon Kocharyan, categorically refuse to assign the status of a cultural heritage site.

Moreover, this house is associated not only with the name of Vladimir Vysotsky, but also with many other outstanding people.

- What is Vysotsky's favorite song?

- "Hunting for wolves".

This song is about the fact that there are passionaries in society, about whom Lev Gumilyov spoke.

If we talk about the role of personality in history, then we must talk about passionate people.

Vysotsky wrote this song about such passionate people.

- Do you consider yourself a passionate?

- Yes.

I think.

- In the song there is a story about something that is impossible for the flags.

Do you have any flags as a person or a politician?

- Well, after all, the person does not put the flags for himself, but others put him.

The main thing is not to commit meanness.

In general, a person is evaluated by others.

It is immodest to evaluate oneself. 

Some even here is what I defend Lukashenka, and then: "Ay-ay-ay, how bad it is." 

- How do you perceive all this?

- I perceive it with sadness. 

Not because I was offended, but because people do not understand the processes in a serious way.

I always ask you to stop and think.

Who pays for flags, for banners?

And whoever pays calls the tune.

I asked a question in my social networks: “Tell me, please, at least one person who bought at least one flag for a demonstration in Minsk with his own money.

Please respond. "

There is no such.

I say, "Where did you get these good quality flags?"

- "Well, we don't know, someone has provided."

Who?

Who!

You need to ask yourself some elementary questions and think about it.

- By the way, about money.

What is your monthly income? 

- Now I have a monthly income - my pension, a little over 20 thousand.

I was in the civil service, so a little over 20 thousand.

- Do children help with money? 

- They help.

We live as a family.

- Video with a pranker who called from Beglov.

What was that?

- It was ... a pre-election show. 

Do you really believe that I pecked at some 5 million there?

Firstly, if you compromise, you had to name the amount somehow more.

We didn’t risk it.

Secondly, you must know that there are certain political technology techniques.

For example, Sviridov, my main rival, on whom the powers that be staked, had 45 million rubles in the electoral fund.

In my opinion, he even returned several million, since it was too much.

My electoral fund in these elections was 1 million. How's the difference?

In 2014, there was a lie about the fact that I attacked some Sviridov agitator, beat her, tore off her shirt and stole the cap.

Do not laugh!

It was dumped half a million in all the mailboxes.

I filed a lawsuit.

Even the Investigative Committee was engaged in the case.

Fortunately, at the time when I allegedly attacked this aunt, I was in another place and not alone.

I was with a bunch of people who came to the Investigative Committee and told everything.

This whole story with the attack is pure lies! 

I filed a lawsuit.

I was told that they only wrote in four newspapers that “an application has been filed against you, that's all.

We cannot oblige the media to apologize to you, because you can write anything you want in a statement to law enforcement agencies. "

But in reality, the newspapers wrote as fact.

Then I sat and waited for the slander they would throw in the next elections.

They used a virtual telephone conversation.

It was two weeks, maybe a little more, before voting day.

They called me and spoke in the voice of Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov.

As if Gennady Andreevich asked me to help Bortko in the election campaign for the mayor of St. Petersburg.

This conversation was used.

Maybe it was Zyuganov personally who called me.

I still don't know if he called or not.

I did not try to find out, because, firstly, this story is not at all interesting to me, and they will not tell the truth anyway.

Secondly, they began to expel me from the party. 

• Elena Shuvalova with Gennady Zyuganov and members of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation at the subbotnik

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I immediately said that I have my own district, and I am not going to switch to Bortko's campaign.

There was nothing, no guarantees, no promises.

I immediately refused, saying that I had no intention of leaving my district. 

That's it, let's close this topic and move on.

I'm just not interested in promoting scammers.

Are you interested in discussing this pre-election innuendo?

I don’t.

- What do you want to leave behind, Elena Anatolyevna?  

- I just live. 

I believe that in my life I have already done a lot.

In principle, I am not ashamed of anything.

You see, you talk to me as if you were some kind of leader.

I do not consider myself to be some kind of great person.

I'm just human.