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July 08, 2020 "No. They didn't show anything, they didn't say anything - they didn't show anything." So says Elder Finnegan Lee to his interlocutor in the prison of Regina Coeli if he recognized the carabinieri at the time of the killing of the deputy brigadier Mario Cercello Rega.

The question is whether the investigators of the Arma intervened had shown the badge or not. The questions are asked by the American defender who illustrates the Italian criminal procedure and clarifies the different points. The dialogue, intercepted and deposited in the proceedings of the trial in the assize court, is in some passages "inaudible" as explained by the interpreter appointed by the college. 

Elder's dialogues, on trial with Gabriel Natale Hjort for the murder of the carabinieri deputy brigadier Mario Cerciello Rega killed with eleven stab wounds last July 26, translated into Italian have been the subject of an expert report ordered by the Court of Assizes.        

"They beat me badly"
"They beat me badly at the station and they said they would give me forty years if I didn't give them my phone password, and therefore, I don't know if in any way they found something against me in there. "

This is what Finnegan Elder Lee says when speaking with his father and his American lawyer on 2 August last in the Regina Coeli prison. "They threw me on the ground, they kicked me - reads in the interception - punches, I climbed on top, they spat on me".    

The Arrest
Finnegan further on compared to the time of the arrest, explains: "It seemed in a way that they knew it was us. As soon as they caught us [inaudible] [I didn't even confess] until I they said he was a cop and he was dead. Why did they keep trying to make me talk about the night understood? And I just told him - I told him about the theft, I told him [...] to go out this time [inaudible] only cigarettes, alcohol [inaudible] and then, I said but what happened? I kept asking what happened, what happened, they said a policeman died, a policeman was stabbed to death [inaudible] and then that is It was the moment when I kind of did, Do you want blood? Then I will give you the blood (you are looking for) ".

"I saw two policemen approaching from behind secretly"
 '' We see two policemen approaching secretly from behind and the big guy tackles me, the smaller one reaches my friend ''. This is what Finnegan Elder Lee says in another intercepted dialogue. '' We were facing the other direction and they were sneaking up to get behind us and then I turned and saw him like a meter away and then he tackled me, '' says the Californian. '' We went down and he got on top of me and punched me and then he started strangling me and that's why I pulled out my knife. I stabbed him like, twice in the belly and that - the American still says - didn't help much because he seemed to just stay here and then I just kept stabbing and then once he stopped once he left my neck I threw it off and ran away. '' At some point in the dialogue with his defender, the lawyer says "(almost completely inaudible): have you ever - you and Gabe never - during the fight have you ever seen ''. And Elder replies: '' No. They didn't show anything, they didn't say anything - they didn't show anything. ''