While "the Ogre des Ardennes" is heard Wednesday by the examining magistrate in charge of the case Estelle Mouzin, the psychological expert Michel Fourniret - Monique Olivier, Jean-Luc Ployé, returns to the microphone of Europe 1 on the complex personality of the serial killer, between a penchant for blackmail and the desire to dominate his face-to-face.

INTERVIEW

This morning, Jean-Luc Ploye is a frightening portrait of an unusual character: at Matthieu Belliard's microphone on Europe 1, the psychologist expert of Michel Fourniret and Monique Olivier tells the tortuous personality of the killer. series, heard Wednesday by the judge in charge of the Estelle Mouzin case, Sabine Kheris. In this instruction, the alibi of Michel Fourniret was recently undermined by his ex-wife and he could be indicted in this case aged 16 years.

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"This is a very particular character, a great manipulator," said Jean-Luc Ploye immediately, who believes that the judge should "have relatively reliable file elements" against the person who was sentenced to imprisonment at the perpetuity for other business in 2008. Because Wednesday, "he will take us in dead end or make a kind of blackmail", press the expert, who evokes a singular example: "In a folder of instruction, he had asked him to calculate his retirement points. "

Relationship "from teacher to student"

And in front of her, Sabine Kheris will find a man like no other: "We must apprehend this type of character and it is not easy, even for an expert.It must have a relationship master-student knowing that the Master, it's him, he does not give an account, he talks about his 'damn pride'. "

" At that moment, he felt at home a sort of fragility, I was afraid "

"The first time I met him about fifteen years ago," he continues, "I looked at his hands, disproportionate to his body: he is a rather frail little character with When we know that he strangled six or seven of his victims with his hands, I looked at his hands and he realized that because he was very intuitive. felt at home a kind of fragility, I was scared. " It will take three weeks to recover. "When you're in a listening position, as an expert, you're a bit like a sponge, but what he said did not fit my personal values ​​at all, thankfully, but you have to digest that. And it's not easy."

A "game" between him and Monique Olivier

Mad and Machiavellian, Michel Fourniret? In his book The approach of evil (Editions Grasset), devoted to this psychological analysis as well as that of Francis Heaulme and Pierre Chanal, Jean-Luc Ployé explains that "even on his deathbed, it will be necessary to secure the nurse who will have to watch it". "It is to give the intensity of its dangerousness", described at the microphone of Europe 1 the expert.

And this dangerousness is shared with his ex-wife, Monique Olivier. "I was asked to analyze the couple's system," says Jean-Luc Ployé. "For years now, since being arrested, it's a game, or even an issue between them, at the level of the couple, no matter whether they are divorced or not. He does what he can, he follows or he does not follow, they can not continue their criminal game, since they have been arrested, but they continue and they will continue until their death. What would be interesting is knowing how one of the two will react when the other one dies. "