Former Social Affairs adviser Nicolas Sarkozy, Raymond Soubie believes on Europe 1 Wednesday that the systemic pension reform "is a magnificent project," fair and simple "But with the deficits that threaten the current regimes, Emmanuel Macron does not will have other choices than to "make concessions" to "reach his goal"

INTERVIEW

It's a pebble in Emmanuel Macron's shoe. In its latest report, the Pension Advisory Council (Cor) estimates that it will be missing between 8 and 17 billion euros to finance the various pension plans in 2025. And that changes a lot for Raymond Soubie, guest of the morning of Europe 1 Wednesday. Former social affairs adviser Nicolas Sarkozy considers that the President of the Republic "can not keep his word" and will have to delay the retirement age to maintain the balance. "There is not one but two difficult subjects" now according to him, describing the big gap of the Head of State, who must manage the systemic reform "he promised" during the presidential campaign, and the parametric measurements to take.

"A wonderful project"

Raymond Soubie supports the pension reform wanted by the government. It is "a wonderful project on paper", he exclaims, "totally fair because everyone will have the same rights for the same contributions and very simple because there will be more than one regime instead of 42 ". For the President of the consulting company Alixio, "we can not be against" this reform, "we can only be for". With a flat all the same: "it's like paradise, to get there, it's not easy Raymond Soubie notices the many problems raised by the various corporations, the origin of the event of December 5 next "The truth is that this systemic reform is a lot of winners, and almost as many losers," he agrees.

The reform "will be done"

Nevertheless, Raymond Soubie thinks that the reform "will be done", despite the scolding of the unions. Emmanuel Macron will also play balancing with the CFDT, the only organization "favorable to global systemic reform, but hostile to any parametric measure." But the president has no choice according to the former adviser, "he is so committed to one side on the reform that he can abandon it", and on the other, "we can not stay with such staggering deficits that threaten the current regimes. " So all that the head of state can do is to give "time to time" believe Raymond Soubie. "His line is very clear, deflate conflicts by making concessions to preserve the essential and achieve its purpose," he concludes.