• Interview.Carmen Calvo: "Against Torra you can't act, the big brush doesn't exist"
What reasons does the rise of Vox in the polls accuse? For many Spaniards it is the party of clarity and certainty in moments of extraordinary anxiety.Will this time meet the high expectations? I distrust much of the surveys. They failed in Andalusia, they were unable to predict our strong irruption ... We remain skeptical but it is true that we notice a gigantic mobilization around us. Do you think that Vox has stopped instilling fear regarding April? Vox had a very specific problem, which was that our message arrived translated and distorted by other parties and by a large part of the media. What happens is that Vox arrives directly from Congress, rallies, networks ... That contributes to Vox being more standardized for many people. Would the Catalan problem be solved with a 155? It will not be solved with a single measure however hard it may be. It will not be resolved solely with the detention of Torra, which is absolutely necessary, or with the application of 155, or the state of exception, but it will take many decades. But it is urgent to completely retake the authority of state power in Catalonia, assuming completely all autonomous powers. Then the State must maintain forever the competences in matters of Education, Health, Justice and Interior. Do you only contemplate the hard hand as a measure of solution? Actually it is compliance with the law. But we know that the hard hand is not enough. It is necessary because the constitutional order and coexistence must be restored, but it is not enough to solve a problem that has deep roots. But it will never be resolved if the control of education and the media is not taken away from separatism.Carmen Calvo said days ago in EL MUNDO that acting against Torra was a "big brush". Calvo is part of a government installed in the abandonment of functions and we understand that acting against Torra and, in particular, ordering his arrest, putting him before a judge with a complaint from the State Advocacy; It is the main and most urgent obligation.What project does it offer to independentista Catalans to change their position? We are worried about offering a project to Catalans loyal to Spain to tell them that we will never abandon them. That is our priority and not give satisfaction, tranquility or seek the change of position of the separatists. That will be done in the long term and it will be something that we will all have to reflect on together. But there will be a project from Spain or something that can be offered to you ... It is because we have to go courting those who do not want to let woo ... I think it is precisely the failed formula of all democracy. Julian Marias said that you can not be happy who does not want to be happy. Therefore, right now the only thing I am willing to offer you is resignation. Illegalizing separatist parties, the suspension of autonomy ... Don't you think that restricting self-government helps independence grow? What fuels victimhood? The truth is that the opposite has been done throughout democracy. Autonomy has been increased, more powers have been given, more self-government has been offered and in reality it has not been possible for them to be happier, but quite the opposite. They have been allowed to embolden themselves, feel total impunity when it comes to disobeying court sentences or facing constitutional legitimacy. Therefore, we must try another way and the other way is that of forcefulness, that of ending that model of autonomy that has failed. Do you believe in the dialogue to understand the other half of Catalonia? Yes, I believe, but I first believe in the application of the law and the Constitution. Then I am willing to talk and convince those separatist Catalans who can continue to feel as they want. They are not forced to feel Spanish. I do not judge your feelings. They can feel what they want, but they have to respect the laws. But then what does that dialogue take place in? That we are willing to listen to them, to give them love, but at no time to compromise with the idea that they have an exclusive right on the Catalan territory itself, when it is a territory of all Spaniards. What do you think about the Supreme Court not obligating half of the sentence for the third degree? I think the Supreme Court has made a sentence to the extent of Pedro Sánchez State Advocacy, facilitating an undercover pardon that the Government no longer has to do, but the Generalitat can practice it through the facts. And I also believe that the Supreme Court has made a tremendous mistake talking about reverie, trying to interpret the will of the coup plotters. By the way, will immediately denied by one of the condemned, who has laughed at the political argument. One of the Jordis has said that, of course, it was not a reverie and that if it were he would not have had to leave the King to make his pronouncement. Therefore, we are truly concerned about the Supreme Court ruling, which we believe has been made to the liking of the Government of Pedro Sánchez.If there is a majority of PP, Vox and Cs will require entering the Government? We are not very hopeful because we have heard Casado and Rivera talk about the need to unlock the situation with the PSOE. It is Vox that is out of all that and it is they who seem to be willing to agree with each other. And it makes sense because they agree on the essential things. We think that a coalition is being formed between the PP, PSOE and Cs. What measures do you have to commit an investiture candidate to receive your support? Our priority, whether we govern or if we have to support some type of investiture, is give an answer to the situation of challenge to national unity in Catalonia. Therefore, the restoration of the constitutional order and the provision of a judge of a president in full rebellion seems to us to be the most urgent at this time. What do you think of Casado's attempt to moderate himself? I don't accept the question . That one moderates is not the word. Married, what he is doing is blurring his position. What is is installed in Marianism. That is not moderation, that is a meliflua, indeterminate position, but it is not moderation. It is a triumph of the sector related to Rajoy. Is the coward right back? The PP has chosen a political position that is to be a party extraordinarily attached to the interests of the PSOE. To be a party that is dedicated to maintaining the laws approved by the PSOE, to have the same or similar economic policies, to have the same position on autonomies and to leave the ideological legislation of zapaterismo standing. Tell me something that I can agree with Pedro Sánchez. At the moment I cannot agree on anything. The PSOE has been characterized as an enemy party of democracy, of political pluralism, of the freedoms of those who are not left-wing and of the division of powers, and we believe that it is necessary that it go to the opposition for a long time.

Santiago Abascal, during the interview with EL MUNDO.BERNARDO DÍAZ

Do you think it is reasonable for a democracy to have its dictators in mausoleums or cathedrals? I believe that history must be accepted. Nor does it seem reasonable in a democracy from that perspective that there are statues to Indalecio Prieto or Largo Caballero, who were coup socialists who violently and caused many deaths attacked the Republic. But there they continue, they are part of our history. We will not be the ones to say that we must dig up dead. We are going to be the ones who say that the Spaniards have to remain embraced and that there can be nothing more antipatriota than to use a dead person in an electoral campaign to try to confront us again. Defend with that emphasis the Franco gives votes? The left is linking Vox with Francoism. What I defend is concord and we have clearly said that what the Government has done is not done to the Franks, or the Ibárruri, or the Companys. We do not know if this gives us votes or does not give them, but we think it is a deep injustice and we will not be silent in any way. What we are convinced of is that the Government is not going to help, that the Government is going to hurt a lot because whoever commits this type of abuse ends up paying them at the polls, but he has had to answer the question of whether it is Francoist What is your opinion about Franco? My opinion about Franco is the least important right now. In fact I am not going to facilitate it, but I am not going to fall in any way in the condemnation of Francoism, nor in the condemnation of the Republic, nor in the condemnation of any type of historical period. What I believe is that the Spaniards have the right to give their opinions about Franco as they wish. What do you think about the valley being resignified as a place of memory? Everything that leads to a rereading of our history from public institutions is negative. We distrust any government initiative because we know that what it intends is to delegitimize the Transition. With this, he delegitimates the Crown and one of the ultimate intentions is to tear down the Valley of the Fallen and dynamit the cross. Why does Vox doubt climate change? Vox does not doubt it. We know that there is a majority of scientists who believe there is. What is not so clear is that this climate change, which has always existed, is due to human action and unless you have to criminalize man and you have to stop traveling by car, have children or eat meat. They tell us about the concern for the environment and this concludes in prohibitionist practices on the left. Do you think that caring for the planet has ideology? No, but the chatter of the consequences and associated prohibitions. Cultural Marxism has lost the class struggle because today workers vote for rights and look for other elements of confrontation. He wants the confrontation between men and women, between environmentalists and polluting people ... We detect that this is a trap of cultural Marxism. A trap of an electoral nature to face societies for support. Does Vox have a blacklist of media? Ha ha .. No. But we are blacklisted by all media or almost everyone. There are problems with those who say that they are half are activists of the extreme left or with those who with disguise are dedicated to the systematic lie about Vox. We don't give interviews to that kind of media, just that. So he won't rectify? No. I have given the order directly and we will not rectify. To those who lie that they do not expect us to attend to them or to summon them to our actions.

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