Nyamko Sabuni (L): "I can have lunch with Jimmie - but what does it do?"

Both Jimmie Åkesson and Nyamko Sabuni started the debate by commenting on the ruthless shooting of a toddler mother that took place in Malmö on Monday.

"It is terrible and unfortunately far too common for us to see shootings and deaths, then we do not know the circumstances behind this but it is terrible and you get affected," said Åkesson.

- It's terrible and I really want to say that I feel compassion for the relatives. Then I think it is remarkable how we have let society fall into this way for the state's most important task is to keep its citizens safe and secure, something we have failed with overall, Sabuni said.

She further stated that it is not a place to point fingers and that "we all have not been aware enough", something that Åkesson did not agree with.

- This is something my party has warned about for a long time. After all, the government that Nyamko put in has failed to address this problem of segregation and integration, Åkesson said, adding:

- Then I'm glad there are politicians who can turn around and wake up and I have some hope that Nyamko is one of those, maybe.

Sabuni responded by claiming that she had worked with integration issues since the 1990s, before SD "even believed in integration policy":

- If you had taken power, I do not know what the country would look like today.

The fact that Sweden needs to improve its integration policy is agreed between the two party leaders, but the answers to the question are how it should go. SD's main proposal is to reduce immigration, while L emphasizes the importance of continuing to protect asylum rights.

At the same time, the parties also agree on a number of points, such as efforts against honor-related violence and initiatives in language preschool. At present, however, no cooperation is sufficient, according to Sabuni, who also points out that L has already entered into the January agreement which gives them a majority on several of its issues.

"I think we have a lot to talk about, then whether we agree or not is uninteresting," said Åkesson.

- We can do that in the Riksdag or the committees. That's where people discuss politics, it's not at lunch tables, Sabuni replied.

A lunch is not relevant then?

- I can have lunch with Jimmie but what does it do? It is in the committees that we perform concrete political work.