Wine or beer? Wine. Nap or not nap? I don't usually nap, because work doesn't allow me, but on vacation it's highly recommended. By the way: make it clear that the photo with your eyes closed illustrating this interview was mandatory, that I don't usually sleep in the courtyard of the Assembly! Taxi or VTC? Both are good and therefore both can be used. I've always used both. Do you encounter many bad faces when you now take a taxi? I ​​haven't taken too many taxis lately, really. But, curiously, the last driver told me that he came from carrying a VTC and that, therefore, he agreed that the two models could coexist. Ok, it would be a coincidence, but it was like that. Do VTC drivers make the wave when they get on one of their vehicles? Whenever I get on a VTC the driver asks me: 'Are you the president of the Community of Madrid, right? ' 'Former president', I clarify. 'The best president,' says the driver. For them, the defense I made of their collective was important. Yes, they treat me very well. That was a very hard negotiation. He received threats, he had to strengthen his personal security ... because there were attitudes a bit out of the ordinary. I do not mean taxi drivers in general, a group very dear and appreciated by Madrid. I am referring to some taxi drivers specifically, who displayed misplaced behavior and words. Until then, some of them threw in his face that he had a slightly soft image. But during those negotiations it was seen that you could be a tough guy, a John Wayne ... I am neither soft nor hard. I am a normal person. I believe in politicians who work from normality and, if possible, from anonymity. I know that others prefer the policy of fireworks and Twitter. I do not. Maybe you are so normal that you are singing ... It can be. Today being normal is revolutionary. We live in a world in which it seems that you have to be inventing the wheel every day, giving great news on Twitter or Facebook or saying a phrase a little out of tune to get attention. Have you seen Pablo Casado since last April he decided to leave the PP and go to Citizens? No, the truth is that no. It hurt a lot that, after swallowing the taxi negotiations, the PP did not name him Candidate to preside over the Community of Madrid? I left the Popular Party for Citizens for two reasons. The first: because there had been an ideological change in the Popular Party that left me out of the space that I like, that of the center. And the second: because there was also a change in the organizational culture, in how people are valued. For all that, I no longer wanted to be there, I wanted to be in a match that represented me. And that party is Citizens. Pablo Casado has turned the PP into the 'blue' Vox? Yes. There really was an ideological change in the PP, which not only I appreciate, but any analyst or commentator. It is evident that there has been a shift in the Popular Party towards a space on the right, in which I do not feel comfortable. He has been called 'transfuga', 'chaquetero' ... When I left the PP, I not only left my deputy minutes in the Assembly, but I also left the possibility, more than certain, of a European parliamentary act with a salary two or three times greater than what I have now. So neither transferable nor chaquetero. The transfugas are those that are passed to another political group without leaving their minutes and hurting their previous party. .- He left the PP because he had become the 'blue' Vox ... How do you feel now negotiating with the 'blue' Vox and the Vox-Vox to try to form a government in Madrid? Talking is a necessity for govern or to obtain the necessary support in an investiture. What you have to be clear about is your limits, how far you are going to go and how far you are not. I can talk with other groups of things that do not clash frontally with my electoral program, and I will never talk about what goes beyond those barriers. Citizens have very clear limits, our agreement is only signed with the PP. What a mess that has ridden with Citizens this year at the Gay Pride parties ... It has been tremendous. It seems to me that a movement that seeks, or claims to pretend, inclusion and normalization cannot start from exclusion and sectarianism. Unfortunately, the LGTBI movement, not the people who compose it but some of its leaders, have made controlling this collective a way of life. And that way of life starts from that only the left can be present. But this is not now, it is a long time ago ... You were banned last year at the Gay Pride rally ... Yes. They vetoed me as the president of the Community of Madrid for being in the Popular Party. No matter the excuse, they will always find one. I think other parties are wrong to consent to that. The PSOE, given the veto to any other political party, what it should do is not go either. But it seems that they want to take advantage of something that is not theirs, that belongs to everyone. Because gays, lesbians and transsexuals are in all political parties, in all. What is the worst of politics? The worst today has to do with communication. Unfortunately, a tweet or a libel on the internet of any unpresentable is the same at the moment as a background article, as an analysis. And that is terrible, because it means that anyone can put anything and harm personally and professionally to anyone. Now the personal destruction of the adversary is sometimes sought. In that sense, politics has worsened significantly. And if before it was not attractive for people to enter the professional world, now it is still less. Nobody wants to come to a place where at the end, and at the minimum, they can destroy your professional future, either because of an error or for having said one day an unfortunate phrase on the internet.

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